[Moved from GT]-Mary and Muslims?

[BrightCandle]

It makes one wonder, if indeed, there is a historical and theological connection between Rome and Mecca, with Mary being the common link?

ROME, JUNE 29, 2006 (Zenit.org).- An Egyptian Muslim and deputy director of a prominent Italian newspaper suggested that Mary could be the figure who brings Christians and Muslims together.

Magdi Allam of Il Corriere della Sera spoke to ZENIT about the appeal he launched in the pages of the national daily newspaper to Muslims living in Italy to visit the Marian shrines in their host country.

The journalist said that he is convinced that the Virgin Mary is a meeting point between Christians and Muslims.

"Mary is a figure present in the Koran, which dedicates an entire sura [chapter ed.n.] to her and mentions her some thirty times. In Muslim countries there are Marian shrines that are the object of veneration and pilgrimage by Christian and Muslim faithful," he said.

"Therefore, I believe that if this happens in Muslim countries, why can't it happen in a Christian country, especially in a historical phase in which we need to define symbols, values and figures that unite religions, spiritualities and cultures?" he asked.

In Allam's opinion, "the Marian pilgrimage of Loreto -- Italy's National Shrine -- could represent a moment of meeting and spiritual gathering between Muslims and Catholics, around Mary, a religious figure that is venerated by both religions."

Vittorio Messori, author of book-interviews with Pope John Paul II and Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (now Benedict XVI), also wrote in Il Corriere della Sera on June 15 in support of Allam.

He said that the dialogue between Christians and Muslims "can begin afresh from Mary."

http://zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=91778

 

[thereselittleflower]

Another Mary thread . . still attacking Mary and the Catholic Church . .. .


Do you know how Islam originated? Should they not find their way back to Christianity?



Peace

 

[Scholar in training]

Yes, when you're trying to convert people you would typically emphasize common ground first and then clear up misconceptions from there.

 

[a_ntv]

It makes one wonder, if indeed, there is a theological connection between Rome and Mecca, with Mary being the common link?

Islam started mainly in Jewish and less in Chrisitian (Orthodox) countries.
And to be accepted islam plagiarized many religious customs in such a countries, like the jewish circumcision, the jewish prohebition for some food and also the christian veneration to Mary.

It is simply a proof that the veneration of Mary was present in the VII century

 

[icxn]

Imagine the impiety of those who defame the Virgin Mary when even the [impious] Muslims venerate her.

 

[BrightCandle]

Islam started mainly in Jewish and less in Chrisitian (Orthodox) countries.
And to be accepted islam plagiarized many religious customs in such a countries, like the jewish circumcision, the jewish prohebition for some food and also the christian veneration to Mary.

It is simply a proof that the veneration of Mary was present in the VII century

I would differ with you regarding the geographic area where Islam originated and ended up being dominate. Look at a map of North Africa and Asia Minor, these were originally Orthodox regions but the Orthodox Christians were slaughtered by Islamic armies. For example, Turkey, was once a strong hold of the Orthodox Church, not it has only a few thousand members, out of the millions of Muslims.

The veneration of Mary, originated with Roman Catholicism, and the Muslims have it as well, which is evidence of some type of historical and theological connection.

 

[BrightCandle]

Another Mary thread . . still attacking Mary and the Catholic Church . .. .

Do you know how Islam originated? Should they not find their way back to Christianity?

Peace

Yes, I do. Do you know how Mary is being used to bring the whole world (including Muslims) to worship her, instead of Jesus?

 

[eoe]

Yes, I do. Do you know how Mary is being used to bring the whole world (including Muslims) to worship her, instead of Jesus?

What a load of crap. This makes me want to vomit all over myself.

 

[Chemnitz]

Islam is syncretistic.

Having developed in the context of Christianity and yet desiring to root itself in the Abrahamic line it also drew upon Jewish religious themes (dietary restrictions, strict non-trinitarian monotheism, etc.).

So, it drew some of the aspects of veneration of Mary common to Christians at the time including the virgin birth of Jesus and an appreciation for her person as mother of a prophet.

 

[a_ntv]

I would differ with you regarding the geographic area where Islam originated and ended up being dominate. Look at a map of North Africa and Asia Minor, these were originally Orthodox regions but the Orthodox Christians were slaughtered by Islamic armies. For example, Turkey, was once a strong hold of the Orthodox Church, not it has only a few thousand members, out of the millions of Muslims.

The veneration of Mary, originated with Roman Catholicism, and the Muslims have it as well, which is evidence of some type of historical and theological connection.

Islam did not generated in Turkey or in North Africa!!!

It was generated in the South Arabia (Medina) and in the VII century such a area was mainly jewish!!!!

Islam won military the area hold by Orthodox Christian.

And the veneratin of Mary was not originated in Roman Catholicism: it was very cummon in ALL apostolic churches, from India to Armenia, to Ethipia, Egypt, Greece and also Rome

 

[The Prokeimenon!]

Islam is a religion of iconoclasm and based entirely on interpretations of a text. Oh wait- is that islam or am I thinking of something else...

Rdr Moses

 

[BarbB]

Islam did not generated in Turkey or in North Africa!!!

It was generated in the South Arabia (Medina) and in the VII century such a area was mainly jewish!!!!

Islam won military the area hold by Orthodox Christian.

And the veneratin of Mary was not originated in Roman Catholicism: it was very cummon in ALL apostolic churches, from India to Armenia, to Ethipia, Egypt, Greece and also Rome

Do you have any proof for these statements, especially the one about South Arabia being Jewish. I'm sure that's news to the Jews. As near as I can recall, the area was pagan.

I understand today that many Hindus venerate Mary who has come to them in visitations, like the ones to Muslims.

 

[stray bullet]

The area had pagan, jewish and Christian tribes. I believe Muhammad went up to the hills, where he claims he received revelation from an angel, because of all the debates between Christians and Jews.

I'm not sure if anyone knows what proportions those tribes made up of the population though.

 

[Lynn73]

Islam started mainly in Jewish and less in Chrisitian (Orthodox) countries.
And to be accepted islam plagiarized many religious customs in such a countries, like the jewish circumcision, the jewish prohebition for some food and also the christian veneration to Mary.

It is simply a proof that the veneration of Mary was present in the VII century

But it's not proof that it's Scriptural. A woman in Scripture tried to venerate Mary, too, by saying blessed is the womb that bare thee and the paps that thou hast sucked (something like that). In reply, Jesus answered yea, rather blessed are they that hear the word of God and keep it.

 

[a_ntv]

But it's not proof that it's Scriptural. A woman in Scripture tried to venerate Mary, too, by saying blessed is the womb that bare thee and the paps that thou hast sucked (something like that). In reply, Jesus answered yea, rather blessed are they that hear the word of God and keep it.

This topic thread is between Muslin and Mary....I dont undestand your point about that.....For sure we sont venerate Mary bc it is written in the Kuran...but the contrary...

And anyway you are mixing two different chapters of the Gospels

 

[a_ntv]

Do you have any proof for these statements, especially the one about South Arabia being Jewish. I'm sure that's news to the Jews. As near as I can recall, the area was pagan.

It is a well known historical fact, i read it in two books

Here an internet link http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/arabia.html

and an excerpt:

MEDINA (formerly Yathrib): Town in ARABIA. At the time that the Prophet Mohammed settled there in 622, Medina. and its immediate neighborhood harbored the largest Jewish community of North Arabia. The origin and previous history of these Jews is unclear, but they may have arrived shortly after the destruction of the Second Temple. They formed three main communities, Banu-Lnadir, Banu Kainuka, and Banu Kuraiza, who occupied themselves mainly with the cultivation of palm-groves but also exercised other callings. Numerous quarrels and feuds forced them to erect forts for protection. A few years after the arrival of Mohammed, who at first was friendly to them, all the Jews were either expelled or massacred. No Jews have since been allowed there

 

[BarbB]

It is a well known historical fact, i read it in two books

Here an internet link http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/arabia.html

and an excerpt:

MEDINA (formerly Yathrib): Town in ARABIA. At the time that the Prophet Mohammed settled there in 622, Medina. and its immediate neighborhood harbored the largest Jewish community of North Arabia. The origin and previous history of these Jews is unclear, but they may have arrived shortly after the destruction of the Second Temple. They formed three main communities, Banu-Lnadir, Banu Kainuka, and Banu Kuraiza, who occupied themselves mainly with the cultivation of palm-groves but also exercised other callings. Numerous quarrels and feuds forced them to erect forts for protection. A few years after the arrival of Mohammed, who at first was friendly to them, all the Jews were either expelled or massacred. No Jews have since been allowed there

Thanks for the citation, but I see nowhere that this was the largest population group in the area. Rather I see that it perhaps was the largest Jewish population in North Arabia which is not that big overall. The area was predominantly pagan with a comparatively large community of Jews. Most of the exiled Jews were in Iraq, Iran, Turkey and North Afrida - not Arabia.

 

[Windlord]

There was a fairly large population of Jews in Arabia, Yemen in particular. I cannot remember what they were called, but I do have a book about them somewhere in my collection.

Peace,

Windlord.

 

[Orthosdoxa]

What a load of crap. This makes me want to vomit all over myself.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to eoe again.
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[BrightCandle]

What a load of crap. This makes me want to vomit all over myself.

You better drink some Peptobismo to prevent vomitting, because Mary is the common link in our time between Roman Catholicism and Islam. The Muslims also have a great reverance for Fatima as well.