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i just want to know wat is the difference between Messianic Jews and Orthodox Jews
i have no clue and wish to know
i have no clue and wish to know
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Excellent question Ponder.....
The fast-food, drive-thru answer is that MJs accept Yeshua (Jesus) as the promised Messiah.
Ah, but the flavor is in the details
We, for just such an occasion, have begun compiling (actually justinhusely is doing all the work) a forum FAQ.
Messianic Judaism FAQ Here you will find some very interesting information!!
The fast-food, drive-thru answer is that MJs accept Yeshua (Jesus) as the promised Messiah.
Ah, but the flavor is in the details
We, for just such an occasion, have begun compiling (actually justinhusely is doing all the work) a forum FAQ.
Messianic Judaism FAQ Here you will find some very interesting information!!
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how does that work
isnt one believe jesus was the messiah and the othere are still waiting that dosnt seam to work please correct me if i am wrong
isnt one believe jesus was the messiah and the othere are still waiting that dosnt seam to work please correct me if i am wrong
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Greetings your Excellency "Ponder",
you are correct to say that those who do not believe in Yeshuah as Messiah yet readily await the comming of the Messiah are in good hands.
These who wait for the Messiah are Jews- and those who practice are in the good, those who do not need to work.
Yeshuah came for the "world", not the "land" and the people of the land.
"for G-D so loved the world that he sent his only begotten SON [YISRAEL represented by Messiah Yeshuah] that who ever believes in him [YISRAEL represented by Yeshuah Mashiach] will not be non-existant [obliterated/cease to exist] but will have a place in the world to come [world of eternity]."
who is the world? GENTILES, the NATIONS, not the people of the land which is YISRAEL, the Hebrews, the Jews.
REMEMBER, YISRAEL WILL NOT BE REDEEMED UNTIL THE FULL NUMBER OF GENTILES (the world) is talmudized under Yeshuah.
Redeemed?
Correct, we will not be restored to Yisrael, the temple will not be established, sacrifices and Levites, and etc until the WORLD (GENTILES) is talmudized.
Talmudized? Indeed, made disciples- To talmudize means to disciple, Talmid meaning disciple.
and so the Jewish work of the Talmud is to make disciples.
The opening book of The Talmud is a book called AVOT famounsly known as PIRKEI AVOT (ETHICS OF THe FATHERS)...
and in its opening statement it says,
"Moses recieved the TORAH from Sinai and transmitted it to Joshua;Joshua to the Elders; the Elders to the Prophets; and the Prtophets to the men of the Great Assembly. They, the men of the Great Assembly, said three things: Be diliberate in judgement, DEVELOP MANY DISCIPLES; and make a fence for the Torah."
Sounds an aweful lot like "go into the world and make disciples of all nations".
In my opinion, The majority of the Messianic world is comprised of Jewish wannabees.
Those that are Jewish (by Jewish mother) well, they are Jewish and are still recognized by G-D.
The others can only be known as "G-D fearers" or Noachites, however they impose to many things on themselves which they SHOULD NOT DO- it only belongs to the Jew.
Such as laying tefillin, and other prayers during the morning, afternoon and evening prayers.
If they were converting to be a Jew then it would be up to their Rabbi to instruct them on what they should do or not during the conversion process.
Orthodox Judaism is NOT LIMITED to those who DO NOT BELIEVE in His Majesty, Yeshuah as Messiah.
And those that follow LIGITIMATE ORTHODOX JUDAISM and believe in His Majesty Messiah Yeshuah, should not be concidered these mere "messianics".
ALL who have a belief in Messiah in a "Jewish" sense are "MESSIANIC" by definition.
a Messiah believer.
ask any Jew other than " some reformists" and they will say they believe in the Jewish Messiah.
However, as the term Messianic is used in the mouths of people today it is not i name/title/label i hold close to me anymore.
shalom u'brachot
Adon Antonio
you are correct to say that those who do not believe in Yeshuah as Messiah yet readily await the comming of the Messiah are in good hands.
These who wait for the Messiah are Jews- and those who practice are in the good, those who do not need to work.
Yeshuah came for the "world", not the "land" and the people of the land.
"for G-D so loved the world that he sent his only begotten SON [YISRAEL represented by Messiah Yeshuah] that who ever believes in him [YISRAEL represented by Yeshuah Mashiach] will not be non-existant [obliterated/cease to exist] but will have a place in the world to come [world of eternity]."
who is the world? GENTILES, the NATIONS, not the people of the land which is YISRAEL, the Hebrews, the Jews.
REMEMBER, YISRAEL WILL NOT BE REDEEMED UNTIL THE FULL NUMBER OF GENTILES (the world) is talmudized under Yeshuah.
Redeemed?
Correct, we will not be restored to Yisrael, the temple will not be established, sacrifices and Levites, and etc until the WORLD (GENTILES) is talmudized.
Talmudized? Indeed, made disciples- To talmudize means to disciple, Talmid meaning disciple.
and so the Jewish work of the Talmud is to make disciples.
The opening book of The Talmud is a book called AVOT famounsly known as PIRKEI AVOT (ETHICS OF THe FATHERS)...
and in its opening statement it says,
"Moses recieved the TORAH from Sinai and transmitted it to Joshua;Joshua to the Elders; the Elders to the Prophets; and the Prtophets to the men of the Great Assembly. They, the men of the Great Assembly, said three things: Be diliberate in judgement, DEVELOP MANY DISCIPLES; and make a fence for the Torah."
Sounds an aweful lot like "go into the world and make disciples of all nations".
In my opinion, The majority of the Messianic world is comprised of Jewish wannabees.
Those that are Jewish (by Jewish mother) well, they are Jewish and are still recognized by G-D.
The others can only be known as "G-D fearers" or Noachites, however they impose to many things on themselves which they SHOULD NOT DO- it only belongs to the Jew.
Such as laying tefillin, and other prayers during the morning, afternoon and evening prayers.
If they were converting to be a Jew then it would be up to their Rabbi to instruct them on what they should do or not during the conversion process.
Orthodox Judaism is NOT LIMITED to those who DO NOT BELIEVE in His Majesty, Yeshuah as Messiah.
And those that follow LIGITIMATE ORTHODOX JUDAISM and believe in His Majesty Messiah Yeshuah, should not be concidered these mere "messianics".
ALL who have a belief in Messiah in a "Jewish" sense are "MESSIANIC" by definition.
a Messiah believer.
ask any Jew other than " some reformists" and they will say they believe in the Jewish Messiah.
However, as the term Messianic is used in the mouths of people today it is not i name/title/label i hold close to me anymore.
shalom u'brachot
Adon Antonio
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What is the difference between a reformed Jew, orthodox Jew, and ultra-orthodox Jew?
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I'll give a quick breakdown of terminology... please don't be offended if it seems rather elementary. I'm only doing so for those who may not be familiar with the terminology...
Torah
The Torah is the first 5 books of the Bible. This was spoken by the mouth of G-d at Sinai, and thus is considered the highest level of inspiration to the Jewish mindset.
Within the Torah there are 613 laws.
Mitzvot
The Mitzvot are the 613 laws found within the text of the Torah.
Halacha
The Mitzvot often can be vague. For exmaple, G-d commands us not to work on the Sabbath. What is work? Is going for a 5 mile hike in the mountains work? How about clocking in at your job? Washing your car on a warm summer day?
Thus, in the Torah, G-d established a court to decide for the Israelite community what each mitzvah was intended for. The 'oral interpretation' of these mitzvot are called "halacha"... often referred to as 'oral law'.
Now, the difference between each of the groups you mentioned is how they interpret the Torah. The Ultra-Orthodox are very strict and stringent in their interpretation of the Halacha... or 'oral law'. How the mitzvot are applied to the community is quite laborious.
Orthodox is somewhat the 'standard' of halacha. The oral law for the Orthodox is a bit more lenient than that of the Ultra-Orthodox, but still very strict in its interpretation.
One group that you may not have heard of is the Conservative. They have a much more relaxed view of 'oral law' yet uphold the explicit commands found within the written Torah. Their oral law is quite attainable for the average person, yet still keeps and observes the Torah.
Finally, we have the Reform. The Reform Jew may or may not observe even the written commands (mitzvot) within the Torah. They tend to pick and choose which halacha to follow. Some Reform Jews are quite observant, others don't even follow what's written, let alone the interpretation of those laws (halacha).
I hope this little breakdown helps.
Shalom,
yafet
Torah
The Torah is the first 5 books of the Bible. This was spoken by the mouth of G-d at Sinai, and thus is considered the highest level of inspiration to the Jewish mindset.
Within the Torah there are 613 laws.
Mitzvot
The Mitzvot are the 613 laws found within the text of the Torah.
Halacha
The Mitzvot often can be vague. For exmaple, G-d commands us not to work on the Sabbath. What is work? Is going for a 5 mile hike in the mountains work? How about clocking in at your job? Washing your car on a warm summer day?
Thus, in the Torah, G-d established a court to decide for the Israelite community what each mitzvah was intended for. The 'oral interpretation' of these mitzvot are called "halacha"... often referred to as 'oral law'.
Now, the difference between each of the groups you mentioned is how they interpret the Torah. The Ultra-Orthodox are very strict and stringent in their interpretation of the Halacha... or 'oral law'. How the mitzvot are applied to the community is quite laborious.
Orthodox is somewhat the 'standard' of halacha. The oral law for the Orthodox is a bit more lenient than that of the Ultra-Orthodox, but still very strict in its interpretation.
One group that you may not have heard of is the Conservative. They have a much more relaxed view of 'oral law' yet uphold the explicit commands found within the written Torah. Their oral law is quite attainable for the average person, yet still keeps and observes the Torah.
Finally, we have the Reform. The Reform Jew may or may not observe even the written commands (mitzvot) within the Torah. They tend to pick and choose which halacha to follow. Some Reform Jews are quite observant, others don't even follow what's written, let alone the interpretation of those laws (halacha).
I hope this little breakdown helps.
Shalom,
yafet
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