Here's something that came from Gary Carpenter's prayer time, which I eagerly transcribed.
This can help to eliminate a lot of grief in our lives if we give heed willingly.
Dethroning the Soul
“To dethrone the soul from its places, Lord, over man, the miracle of major proportions, since the fall of Adam, and the exaltation of the soul to pre-eminence, I have had few who brought their soul to the place of subservience to Him who speaks from Heaven. Moses was such a one. In him was meekness developed to the point that I could come and speak with him face-to-face at the tent of meeting; as a man would speak to his friend. But know and understand that it was through discipline and hardship, experienced in the flesh that his soul was brought low. I had no other way to deal with him, for his spirit could not be made alive.
Meekness of soul was not his character when his soul declared that he should kill the Egyptian to save My people. His soul was Lord in that case and his soul was still Lord when he departed from Pharaoh's court to suffer reproach with the people of God. But through forty years of leanness of flesh on the backside of the wilderness, his soul was eventually brought low enough to hear and obey My voice.
Throughout the Old Covenant you will find this pattern to be so. For forty years I did prove to the children of Israel the leanness in the wilderness. Until their soul was brought into the place of meekness to hear and obey My voice. This was never My desire, but I had no choice but to deal with them thus, due to the deadness of their spirit. To overcome their enemies, their soul had to come to the place of meekness through leanness experienced externally in the flesh. The soul of man had to be de-throned from its places, lowered, so that my voice could be heard and obeyed.
What does it mean to have the soul dethroned? It means that a man willingly hands over the reigns of his life from his own soul to the mind of Christ. In the Old Covenant, this was accomplished through long periods of frustration in the flesh. In the New Covenant, I desire this transfer to be made through exaltation of the spirit. Know and understand that the life of Christ within you has no self will apart from the will of the Father. This is the nature of Him who sits on the right hand of majesty. In this covenant, I desire that the seed of that life grow up in you, be exalted, until that same character of nature arises to the point that it takes the reigns from the soul of every man and places them into the nail scarred hands of Christ.
It is through the maturity of the life of the seed within, that I desire the soul to be dethroned, not through leanness and frustration in the flesh, but for those who will not yield their spirit to the nurturing of My Spirit, I am left with little choice but to deal with them as with those of old. For they pray, "Father, I desire to be like Him; Jesus, yet they will not willingly yield to the comforter that I have sent to cause their new nature to flourish to answer their prayer. I have no choice but t send them leanness and frustration of the flesh to dethrone the soul. It is their choice that has made it so, not Mine.
When I have My way with My children, I prefer to deal with them first in spirit, second in soul, third in flesh. As they willingly bring their spirit to the garden of my grace, My Spirit can nurture their new nature and cause it to grow into the image of Him who was implanted. The mysteries of Christ in them is brought forth first in spirit, first in spirit, first in spirit, until the nature of Him who was planted begins to take ascendancy in their character. This nature then turns to their own soul and says, "Bow the knee to Him who bought us!" He alone is Lord!' "We will serve Him and Him alone!"
And once there is sufficient level of development of character; that the spirit of man can thus dictate to his own soul, the mind of Christ then begins to be transferred directly to the soul of meekness. To do so prematurely only results in continual disobedience, which leaves open doors through which the enemy can legally attack. I do not casually cast My sheep to the wolves by giving them instructions I know they cannot obey. For this reason, I prefer development in the spirit first and instruction of the soul second. The transfer from the mind of Christ, the soul of man is the Lamb's room of fellowship.
You are about to have many life-long questions answered as you spend time in this room with Him. Yet you’ll find that during this period of soul transformation only gradually will you be receiving instruction regarding things to be done in the flesh, for the flesh must also be dethroned from its place of Lord over your actions. The inner man must become stronger than the outer man, and it is for this reason that you are now enrolled in the Lamb's room of fellowship. You are now being strengthened with might in your inner man; that you may rise up, united in your spirit and soul and deal the death blow to the flesh. Remember, I enforce positional truth.
Paul is your pattern for now. Of all the Apostles who preceded him, they were first trained in the soul directly through the mouth of Jesus Christ. And only later were they trained in their spirit after life had been imparted to them. It was not so with Paul. Upon his conversation, his soul was still his Lord. He went forth of his own accord to preach the gospel according to the strength of his own intellect; that which he had always trusted in. He did not at first yield to the training of my spirit, but kept control of the reigns through the decisions of his own soul to presume his course of ministry. As those of old, frustration in the flesh and powerlessness of ministry brought him to the place where he, like Moses, was willing to be trained on the back side of the wilderness. In the deserts of Arabia, Paul learned to yield his spirit to My Spirit and he was trained in spirit first, then in soul; the same pattern which is now being accomplished in you.
So be of good cheer, you are in the right school. Understand that this is the time when the reigns of your life are being handed over from your own soul to the mind of Christ.. It is a difficult transition, yet it shall be accomplished. This is difficult is part of that which was spoken by Paul when he said: "It is with much tribulation that we do enter into the Kingdom of God."
This can help to eliminate a lot of grief in our lives if we give heed willingly.
Dethroning the Soul
“To dethrone the soul from its places, Lord, over man, the miracle of major proportions, since the fall of Adam, and the exaltation of the soul to pre-eminence, I have had few who brought their soul to the place of subservience to Him who speaks from Heaven. Moses was such a one. In him was meekness developed to the point that I could come and speak with him face-to-face at the tent of meeting; as a man would speak to his friend. But know and understand that it was through discipline and hardship, experienced in the flesh that his soul was brought low. I had no other way to deal with him, for his spirit could not be made alive.
Meekness of soul was not his character when his soul declared that he should kill the Egyptian to save My people. His soul was Lord in that case and his soul was still Lord when he departed from Pharaoh's court to suffer reproach with the people of God. But through forty years of leanness of flesh on the backside of the wilderness, his soul was eventually brought low enough to hear and obey My voice.
Throughout the Old Covenant you will find this pattern to be so. For forty years I did prove to the children of Israel the leanness in the wilderness. Until their soul was brought into the place of meekness to hear and obey My voice. This was never My desire, but I had no choice but to deal with them thus, due to the deadness of their spirit. To overcome their enemies, their soul had to come to the place of meekness through leanness experienced externally in the flesh. The soul of man had to be de-throned from its places, lowered, so that my voice could be heard and obeyed.
What does it mean to have the soul dethroned? It means that a man willingly hands over the reigns of his life from his own soul to the mind of Christ. In the Old Covenant, this was accomplished through long periods of frustration in the flesh. In the New Covenant, I desire this transfer to be made through exaltation of the spirit. Know and understand that the life of Christ within you has no self will apart from the will of the Father. This is the nature of Him who sits on the right hand of majesty. In this covenant, I desire that the seed of that life grow up in you, be exalted, until that same character of nature arises to the point that it takes the reigns from the soul of every man and places them into the nail scarred hands of Christ.
It is through the maturity of the life of the seed within, that I desire the soul to be dethroned, not through leanness and frustration in the flesh, but for those who will not yield their spirit to the nurturing of My Spirit, I am left with little choice but to deal with them as with those of old. For they pray, "Father, I desire to be like Him; Jesus, yet they will not willingly yield to the comforter that I have sent to cause their new nature to flourish to answer their prayer. I have no choice but t send them leanness and frustration of the flesh to dethrone the soul. It is their choice that has made it so, not Mine.
When I have My way with My children, I prefer to deal with them first in spirit, second in soul, third in flesh. As they willingly bring their spirit to the garden of my grace, My Spirit can nurture their new nature and cause it to grow into the image of Him who was implanted. The mysteries of Christ in them is brought forth first in spirit, first in spirit, first in spirit, until the nature of Him who was planted begins to take ascendancy in their character. This nature then turns to their own soul and says, "Bow the knee to Him who bought us!" He alone is Lord!' "We will serve Him and Him alone!"
And once there is sufficient level of development of character; that the spirit of man can thus dictate to his own soul, the mind of Christ then begins to be transferred directly to the soul of meekness. To do so prematurely only results in continual disobedience, which leaves open doors through which the enemy can legally attack. I do not casually cast My sheep to the wolves by giving them instructions I know they cannot obey. For this reason, I prefer development in the spirit first and instruction of the soul second. The transfer from the mind of Christ, the soul of man is the Lamb's room of fellowship.
You are about to have many life-long questions answered as you spend time in this room with Him. Yet you’ll find that during this period of soul transformation only gradually will you be receiving instruction regarding things to be done in the flesh, for the flesh must also be dethroned from its place of Lord over your actions. The inner man must become stronger than the outer man, and it is for this reason that you are now enrolled in the Lamb's room of fellowship. You are now being strengthened with might in your inner man; that you may rise up, united in your spirit and soul and deal the death blow to the flesh. Remember, I enforce positional truth.
Paul is your pattern for now. Of all the Apostles who preceded him, they were first trained in the soul directly through the mouth of Jesus Christ. And only later were they trained in their spirit after life had been imparted to them. It was not so with Paul. Upon his conversation, his soul was still his Lord. He went forth of his own accord to preach the gospel according to the strength of his own intellect; that which he had always trusted in. He did not at first yield to the training of my spirit, but kept control of the reigns through the decisions of his own soul to presume his course of ministry. As those of old, frustration in the flesh and powerlessness of ministry brought him to the place where he, like Moses, was willing to be trained on the back side of the wilderness. In the deserts of Arabia, Paul learned to yield his spirit to My Spirit and he was trained in spirit first, then in soul; the same pattern which is now being accomplished in you.
So be of good cheer, you are in the right school. Understand that this is the time when the reigns of your life are being handed over from your own soul to the mind of Christ.. It is a difficult transition, yet it shall be accomplished. This is difficult is part of that which was spoken by Paul when he said: "It is with much tribulation that we do enter into the Kingdom of God."