Originally Posted by Ben johnson
The whole point of the admonition in II Cor chapter 13 - all of it - is not to check to see that we are mainting our salvation through the eronous doctrine of responisble grace but to check to see if we are even saved to begin with! Once again you pull one verse out of an entire chapter and hence out of context to impose a works-based doctrine of salvation on the brethren. YES - you do teach WORKS - stop - repent - and accept your salvation based on God's grace alone!
And yet again you rip one verse out of context in regards to 1 Cor 9:27 - you totally ignore the entire chapter which is not talking about responsible grace but preaching the gospel. Verse 23 points out that everything Paul is talking about in this chapter is for the "sake of the gospel" and so that he can "share in its blessings." He is NOT talking about loosing his salvation - if he were he would not have mentioned sharing in its blessings. The prize spoken of in verse 27 is clearly in reference to a result in preaching the gospel - NOT responsible grace or loosing salvation. Being disqualified from the prize clearly is not referring to loosing salvation.
13. Warned to "examine ourselves (see if we have godly works), that we prove 'Christ is in us'." 2Cor13:5 --- conspicuously using "adokimos-unapproved-disqualified", the opposite of "Christ in us"; the same word Paul used in 1Cor9:27, which in verse 23 absolutely reflects "Paul's participation in the GOSPEL". Paul asserted his OWN salvation was forfeitable.
And yet again you rip one verse out of context in regards to 1 Cor 9:27 - you totally ignore the entire chapter which is not talking about responsible grace but preaching the gospel. Verse 23 points out that everything Paul is talking about in this chapter is for the "sake of the gospel" and so that he can "share in its blessings." He is NOT talking about loosing his salvation - if he were he would not have mentioned sharing in its blessings. The prize spoken of in verse 27 is clearly in reference to a result in preaching the gospel - NOT responsible grace or loosing salvation. Being disqualified from the prize clearly is not referring to loosing salvation.