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Seems like a lousy idea when you consider how few qualify, they could remain in Mexico ( or the first country of safety overseas) while waiting to be processed. Many problems solved. both in Humanitarian tragedy, and financial disaster.
Mexico has its own problems with Central American refugees. The solution seems obvious. Anything we can do to enable social stability and economic growth in those nations will decrease the numbers of people fleeing them. A little money spent on that would produce big returns in border security.

You won't have to work to keep out people who aren't trying to get in. Mexico still has social problems and economic development problems, but even a small amount of progress has greatly reduced illegal immigration from Mexico.
 
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White House clinic improperly distributed controlled substances during previous administrations, new report says

The investigation by the Pentagon's internal watchdog was prompted by complaints during the Trump administration.
"The White House Medical Unit dispensed prescription medications, including controlled substances, to ineligible White House staff," said the report, which was released this month.

The unit also kept records for Schedule II drugs — such as fentanyl, hydrocodone, morphine and oxycodone — in the same inventory that housed records for other medications, according to the report, even though federal regulations require them to be kept separate.

The clinic’s handwritten records from the Trump administration “frequently contained errors in the medication counts, illegible text, or crossed out text that was not appropriately annotated,” the report said.


Can you imagine the pearl-clutching by the far-right republicans in Congress if a fraction of this was happening in the Biden WH? Granted, Trump probably didn't notice it going on. If he didn't notice that staffers were stealing papers from his desk to keep him from doing stupid things, the WH drug culture was probably never noticed by him. Who was in charge, actually? Anybody's guess.
 
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Mexico has its own problems with Central American refugees.
It was managed under Trump. It wasn't when Biden gave opportunity for tons money to be made, on human trafficking of children, and drugs. Slave labor. in both labor and sex. That is the only difference.
The solution seems obvious.
So does the reason for the difference between Trump vs Biden concerning Mexico. A cash cow for both sides in human suffering and misery. That is where it begins and should end. All the rest is just baloney. The money....made off of horror...
 
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For example, the WH physician drinking on the job along with taking other unprescribed meds.

That's certainly bad....and I definitely missed it in the report. I aldo find it odd it wasn't mentioned in the articles about the report.

Can you tell me which page of the report this was on? Surely his license to practice medicine was revoked?


People being handed controlled drugs without being eligible or even having a prescription. Stuff like that.

Again, if the Dr was handing himself drugs and drinking on the job, his license to practice would be revoked. You're telling me he was just fired. He wasn't prosecuted for any of this?

No, you added "their prescriptions." They point is they didn't have them. In some cases, the IG found people sharing the meds.

The IG report said they might not have had them....which seems a lot less certain than you are claiming.

If they didn't have prescriptions, they were committing insurance fraud...which I would have to assume is the issue of the brand name meds vs the generics lol. If there's no written records....no prescriptions....how would they possibly know what was handed out?

They appear to know exactly what was handed out...and I can only assume it's because they had prescriptions if the pharmacy wasn't keeping records properly.

But again, I don't recall seeing this in the report....so if you can quote where it says they were handed out without a prescription, you really should quote that part....not the part you quoted. That just goes on about who eligible to use the WH pharmacy and who isn't.



It's a WH pharmacy, it's supposed to be subject to the same federal rules as any other pharmacy. I noted that.

The Office of the Inspector General said in a news release that the problems it uncovered in the White House clinic were “severe and systemic.”

The report is based on reviews of records from the White House Medical Unit, including prescriptions, from between 2017 and 2019. In addition, investigators interviewed more than 120 officials, including hospital administrators, military medical providers and pharmacists. The office also reviewed the transcripts of 70 previous interviews with former members of the White House Military Office who served there between 2009 and 2018.

The interviews indicated that medication was often dispensed without any written records. Before “we would get ready for a big overseas trip,” staffers were directed to make “prepacks” that consisted of plastic sandwich bags containing the sleeping drug Ambien as well as the stimulant Provigil, which is meant to help people stay awake. Both are categorized as controlled substances, meaning they require special handling and record-keeping by pharmacies because they carry a risk for dependence and abuse.


Lol again, as I already mentioned, those appear to be medications for sleep disorders...one helps you fall asleep...one helps you stay awake. If you give it a moment or two of thought....the term "overseas trip" explains the whole thing.....jet lag.

Perhaps you think it's a big deal to prescribe staff a couple of medications to deal with jet lag so they aren't all unable to work after a long flight but honestly, I couldn't care less. It doesn't sound like it has anything to do with the "stress" of working with Trump and everything to do with jet lag. Perhaps that sounds like a "drug culture" to you...but it sounds entirely practical to me. We aren't talking about the staff taking turns blowing lines of cocaine in the restroom with Hunter and his "paid by the hour" girlfriend.
 
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White House clinic improperly distributed controlled substances during previous administrations, new report says

The investigation by the Pentagon's internal watchdog was prompted by complaints during the Trump administration.
"The White House Medical Unit dispensed prescription medications, including controlled substances, to ineligible White House staff," said the report, which was released this month.

The unit also kept records for Schedule II drugs — such as fentanyl, hydrocodone, morphine and oxycodone — in the same inventory that housed records for other medications, according to the report, even though federal regulations require them to be kept separate.

The clinic’s handwritten records from the Trump administration “frequently contained errors in the medication counts, illegible text, or crossed out text that was not appropriately annotated,” the report said.


Can you imagine the pearl-clutching by the far-right republicans in Congress if a fraction of this was happening in the Biden WH?

A fraction of what? Errors in medication counts? Illegible text?

How would you know it isn't happening?



If he didn't notice that staffers were stealing papers from his desk to keep him from doing stupid things,

Committing crimes.


the WH drug culture was probably never noticed by him.

There's no evidence of any drug culture. Just a pharmacy that didn't quite understand the rules it should have been following.
 
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Mexico has its own problems with Central American refugees.

Not really.


The solution seems obvious. Anything we can do to enable social stability and economic growth in those nations will decrease the numbers of people fleeing them.

Again, we don't need vague unrealistic solutions from the party that created this mess. This is right along the lines of "we don't need cops, we just need to improve the lives of criminals so they stop doing crimes".

If it fails as a solution here...it's definitely not something we can achieve abroad.

Pipe dreams from the Democratic Party are only going to cause more misery and suffering.

 
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Not legally.

Law enforcement does this all the time. Ever get a ticket for speeding? You can contest it...but good luck. You got the ticket because you were considered guilty of speeding.


Hence Biden's move to put more resources into determining who was legally allowed to stay and who wasn't.

If they don't know what asylum is....how can they possibly come here seeking asylum? Let alone have a valid reason?



Romney told CNN’s Manu Raju he thought it was “really appalling” that Trump would try to prevent progress on addressing the surge in migration at the southern border.

Is the Biden administration admitting there's a crisis at the southern border?

He could have started fixing it 3 years ago by letting ICE deport people illegally here.

“But the reality is that we have a crisis at the border,

Created by Biden.


the American people are suffering as a result of what’s happening at the border,

Because of Biden.


and someone running for president ought to try to get the problem solved

Trump is trying to solve the problem...by removing Biden and enforcing the laws we currently have on the books.


None of this has anything to do with the drug culture in the Trump WH, of course.

There is no drug culture.


ICE has been instructed to prioritize the removal of dangerous criminals.

You read the article, right? You understand that this is wrong?

From the article...

In practice, that means ICE arrests would be limited largely to immigrants who have been convicted of felony offenses and are already detained in federal or state prisons.

That's why "speeding up the process" won't solve the problem. It will only make it bigger. If someone comes here and is denied asylum...they should be deported.

Or better yet, we simply deny anyone who doesn't understand what asylum is in even the most basic sense....since they can't possibly be seeking something that they don't understand the meaning of.
 
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The real White House drug story wasn't the cocaine found under [President Joe] Biden but the Fentanyl, Morphine, or Ketamine prescribed under Trump."

A tweet...not news.



"No wonder America's fentanyl problem exploded while Trump was in office!" Grant Stern, the executive editor of Occupy Democrats, said in a post on Sunday, since viewed over 280,000 times. "His 'doctor' was ordering PLENTY of it for the White House."

Said guy who wasn't a reporter....desperation.


"For a clinic that doesn't typically do procedures [with] moderate sedation they sure are ordering prodigious quantities of morphine, fentanyl, versed, & ketamine," Nick Mark, a medical doctor based in Seattle, Washington wrote.

Well apparently he's not aware of what a pharmacy is or does. If someone's doctor prescribes something that they need....you go to a pharmacy to get it.


Fentanyl and Ketamine handed out illegally in the Trump WH. Every time you think you've heard the craziest thing about his administration, something else tops it.

Nowhere in the IG report does it claim this lol. But please don't let that stop you from spreading misinformation. Nobody has been arrested.
 
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For example the IG report that detailed the massive illegal drug use in the Trump WH. I linked to it.

You have some reading comprehension issues then.

We concluded that all phases of the White House Medical Unit’s pharmacy operations had severe and systemic problems due to the unit’s reliance on ineffective internal controls to ensure compliance with pharmacy safety standards.

This says the pharmacy had problems. No mention of illegal drug use.



pharmaceutical management practices may have been subject to prescribing errors and inadequate medication management,

May have....

They may have made some prescription errors. Did they make any prescription errors for certain? Nobody appears to have found any....but they may have.

Still waiting on the evidence of illegal drug use.




Additionally, the White House Medical Unit’spharmaceutical management practices ineffectively used DoD funds by obtaining brand‑name medications instead of generic equivalents and increased the risk for the diversion of controlled substances.

Oh noooooo! They used brand name medications!



1 We found that the White House Medical Unit provided a wide range of health care and pharmaceutical services to ineligible White House staff in violation of Federal law and regulation and DoD policy. Additionally, the White House Medical Unit dispensed prescription medications, including controlled substances, to ineligible White House staff.

Right...people who weren't supposed to be using the pharmacy used it.

Still waiting on any shred of evidence of illegal drug use.


This, in a civilian facility, would get some people charged, and the pharmacy closed.

Why? No crimes were committed. They can't even say anyone was getting prescriptions they shouldn't have....all they can say for certain is that some people who weren't supposed to use the pharmacy, used the pharmacy.

Still waiting for that evidence of illegal drug use.
 
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For example the IG report that detailed the massive illegal drug use in the Trump WH. I linked to it.

(denies what the report says)

You have some reading comprehension issues then.

The real White House drug story wasn't the cocaine found under [President Joe] Biden but the Fentanyl, Morphine, or Ketamine prescribed under Trump.
A tweet...not news.

From the IG report:
In the first nine months of 2019, the medical unit—which is responsible for tending to the medical needs of the White House staff—made four separate orders of fentanyl, two orders of morphine and a further two of ketamine. In total, it received 34 packs of fentanyl over the period, records show.

Fentanyl and Ketamine handed out illegally in the Trump WH. Every time you think you've heard the craziest thing about his administration, something else tops it.


It's consistent Trump with Trump being so paranoid about drug smugglers. Dealers hate competition.
 
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ICE has been instructed to prioritize the removal of dangerous criminals.

You read the article, right? You understand that this is wrong?
Well, let's take a look...

From the article...

In practice, that means ICE arrests would be limited largely to immigrants who have been convicted of felony offenses and are already detained in federal or state prisons.

Perhaps you don't know what "prioritize" means. (Barbarian checks)
Apparently, there's no precise translation in Russian.... maybe расставлять приоритеты? Which is apparently borrowed from English. Trust me, prioritizing the arrest and deportaton of felons means precisely that arrests would be limited largely to felons.

I see you've abandoned attempts to put together a cogent argument are are now just Gish Galloping. I'll be picking out the more absurd excuses and debunking them.
 
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He was demoted by the Navy after leaving the WH for drinking on the job, abusing subordinates, and other violations.

The Navy demoted Rep. Ronny Jackson in 2022 after a scathing report from the Defense Department watchdog found the former White House physician drank on the job, routinely screamed at subordinates and acted inappropriately.

Jackson, who retired in 2019 as a one-star rear admiral, was demoted to the rank of captain, according to two US officials.

Jackson, who served as the top White House physician under President Barack Obama and President Donald Trump, still refers to himself as a retired rear admiral, the rank at which he retired on December 1, 2019. Now a Republican member of Congress, Jackson says on his website that he is a “retired U.S. Navy Rear Admiral with nearly three decades of military service.”


Apparently, fit right in with the drug culture in the Trump WH.

A lot of people made jokes about the Trump WH; "are they on drugs?" The answer seems to be "mostly, yes."

"Conversely, the White House Medical Unit’s pharmaceutical services included the full scope of pharmacy operations, including storage and inventory, prescribing and dispensing, procurement, and disposal, and was not credentialed by any outside agency. We concluded that all phases of the White House Medical Unit’s pharmacy operations had severe and systemic problems due to the unit’s reliance on ineffective internal controls to ensure compliance with pharmacy safety standards. In addition, the Military Health System senior leaders did not oversee the White House Medical Unit’s pharmacy operations. Without oversight from qualified pharmacy staff, the White House Medical Unit’s pharmaceutical management practices may have been subject to prescribing errors and inadequate medication management, increasing the risk to the health and safety of patients treated within the unit. Additionally, the White House Medical Unit’s pharmaceutical management practices ineffectively used DoD funds by obtaining brand‑name medications instead of generic equivalents and increased the risk for the diversion of controlled substances.1

We found that the White House Medical Unit provided a wide range of health care and pharmaceutical services to ineligible White House staff in violation of Federal law and regulation and DoD policy. Additionally, the White House Medical Unit dispensed prescription medications, including controlled substances, to ineligible White House staff. In analyzing the testimonies of former White House Military Office employees, we found
that White House Medical Unit senior leaders directed eligibility practices that did not comply with DoD guidance."

I can see why Trump would want his staff on drugs. Then he can have total control over their lives. "Oops, you have to work all night on this but here's a few bumps to get you through. Take a couple of these when you get home so you can sleep." Otherwise, simply get them hooked on a high level of opiates so that the Boss can make them do anything.
 
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