"You Can’t Be Truly Feminist If You Don’t Want Women to Control Their Own Bodies"

[Z.Mackenzie]

The article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rebec...en-to-control-their-own-bodies_b_9754396.html
"You can want women to do better, but you simply can’t be a feminist if you won’t stand up for reproductive freedom."​

So apparently anti-abortion feminists are not feminists. In order to qualify as a feminist, you have to be in favor of abortion rights.

The issue I have with this, is why then, must feminists constantly annoy and pressure people as to why they are not a feminist? If clearly, (which make sense) there are qualifications as to who gets to be a feminist, why then are feminists surprised that some people are choosing not identifying as feminist? I say this because there are many articles written by feminists upset at the majority of women for instance, not identifying with the label of feminist, and keep on repeating the argument that "feminism is just about equality. If you believe men and women are equal. Then you're a feminist" when we know that isn't true.

I do applaud the feminists who make their stances clearer and straight to the point, but it makes no logical sense whatsoever to act confused as to why most people do not identify with feminism. The club is clearly exclusive to those who qualify (again makes sense) and not everyone will qualify.

 

[Chesterton]

"Feminism" has little to do with feminism. Look how the National Organization for Women reacts to women like a Phyllis Schlafly or Sarah Palin. It's not about being a strong, independent woman, it's about being the right kind of woman (one who agrees with their political/social agenda).

 

[brinny]

The article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rebec...en-to-control-their-own-bodies_b_9754396.html

So apparently anti-abortion feminists are not feminists. In order to qualify as a feminist, you have to be in favor of abortion rights.

The issue I have with this, is why then, must feminists constantly annoy and pressure people as to why they are not a feminist? If clearly, (which make sense) there are qualifications as to who gets to be a feminist, why then are feminists surprised that some people are choosing not identifying as feminist? I say this because there are many articles written by feminists upset at the majority of women for instance, not identifying with the label of feminist, and keep on repeating the argument that "feminism is just about equality. If you believe men and women are equal. Then you're a feminist" when we know that isn't true.

I do applaud the feminists who make their stances clearer and straight to the point, but it makes no logical sense whatsoever to act confused as to why most people do not identify with feminism. The club is clearly exclusive to those who qualify (again makes sense) and not everyone will qualify.

As a former "feminist", i have only one thing to say.

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[Rick Otto]

The article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rebec...en-to-control-their-own-bodies_b_9754396.html

So apparently anti-abortion feminists are not feminists. In order to qualify as a feminist, you have to be in favor of abortion rights.

The issue I have with this, is why then, must feminists constantly annoy and pressure people as to why they are not a feminist? If clearly, (which make sense) there are qualifications as to who gets to be a feminist, why then are feminists surprised that some people are choosing not identifying as feminist? I say this because there are many articles written by feminists upset at the majority of women for instance, not identifying with the label of feminist, and keep on repeating the argument that "feminism is just about equality. If you believe men and women are equal. Then you're a feminist" when we know that isn't true.

I do applaud the feminists who make their stances clearer and straight to the point, but it makes no logical sense whatsoever to act confused as to why most people do not identify with feminism. The club is clearly exclusive to those who qualify (again makes sense) and not everyone will qualify.

All underdogs matter.
Sharing categories is natural as priorities will naturally overlap to some degree, but trying to maintain purity of a brand is especially challenging in a commercial environment, which is also the political environment since money is speech by Supreme Court's decision.

 

[Four Angels Standing]

The article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rebec...en-to-control-their-own-bodies_b_9754396.html

So apparently anti-abortion feminists are not feminists. In order to qualify as a feminist, you have to be in favor of abortion rights.

That's not how I read the article.

 

[Z.Mackenzie]

That's not how I read the article.

"You can want women to do better, but you simply can’t be a feminist if you won’t stand up for reproductive freedom."

 

[Four Angels Standing]

"You can want women to do better, but you simply can’t be a feminist if you won’t stand up for reproductive freedom."

Exactly. Freedom, being the key word.

 

[Z.Mackenzie]

Exactly. Freedom, being the key word.

"You can want women to do better, but you simply can’t be a feminist if you won’t stand up for reproductive freedom."
In other words she is saying you can't be a feminist if you do not support convenience abortion.

The key word is reproductive.

 

[Four Angels Standing]

"You can want women to do better, but you simply can’t be a feminist if you won’t stand up for reproductive freedom."
In other words she is saying you can't be a feminist if you do not support convenience abortion.

The key word is reproductive.

Freedom for reproductive rights of women, is the key issue.

 

[HannahT]

Freedom for reproductive rights of women, is the key issue.

It should be. At least that is the impression that they give.

I'm not sure why people feel they don't have reproductive rights now.

 

[jayem]

Abortion is an topic that provokes intense feelings. On both sides. How many times in these forums have people posted that you're not a real conservative, or a real Republican if you're pro-choice? (And we've all seen it stated that Christians shouldn't use or support contraceptives. Of course, it's against CF rules to say outright that someone isn't a real Christian. But that's the obvious implication.)

Unfortunately, zealotry and demands for ideological purity always accompany strongly emotional issues. It's human nature.

 

[Four Angels Standing]

It should be. At least that is the impression that they give.

I'm not sure why people feel they don't have reproductive rights now.

How do you define, reproductive rights? In what context as pertains to the OP article context?

 

[Oafman]

There does appear to be a certain amount of conflict between believing in women's liberation and legislating against their reproductive rights.

 

[HannahT]

How do you define, reproductive rights? In what context as pertains to the OP article context?

What reproductive rights do women NOT have under any definition?

 

[Four Angels Standing]

What reproductive rights do women NOT have under any definition?

How about privacy? As relates to their reproductive right to.

 

[HannahT]

How about privacy? As relates to their reproductive right to.

In what context? I'm not trying to be a smarty pants. I'm honestly try to understand what you are talking about. We have HIPPA laws that cover privacy. Who is broadcasting what when it comes to someone's health records?

 

[Four Angels Standing]

In what context? I'm not trying to be a smarty pants. I'm honestly try to understand what you are talking about. We have HIPPA laws that cover privacy. Who is broadcasting what when it comes to someone's health records?

Are health records the only thing you believe falls under the umbrella of privacy as a woman's reproductive rights?

 

[HannahT]

I told you I was asking for clarification as to what you meant by privacy, and even mentioned I wasn't clear on what you meant.

Why answer my question with another question?

 

[Four Angels Standing]

I told you I was asking for clarification as to what you meant by privacy, and even mentioned I wasn't clear on what you meant.

Why answer my question with another question?

Because your reply appears to state that you think matters of women's reproductive privacy applies to their medical records. That's why I asked you to clarify that.

 

[HannahT]

I asked for context and clarification, because medical privacy normally does mean medical records. When I ask for context and clarification it normally means for you to 'clarify' and give 'context'. I'm not sure where I'm losing you.

Once again, can you give context and clarification as to your meaning of it?