Wow , CNN is critical of Biden about Afghanistan

[perplexed]

I noticed CNN being critical of Biden for 20 minutes so I started this thread because that surprised, but lol, as I was typing this I heard "Trump is to blame as well"
perhaps the money making strategy for CNN will be attack Trump and Biden

 

[durangodawood]

People are quite confused about this whole issue.

There's the debacle of the hour by hour US pull out. Yes its awful. But.....

Then there's the sheer horror of an 18 year expenditure of American lives and wealth amounting to nothing.

People are mesmerized by the images of the moment, possibly to avoid contemplating the big picture of near two decades of futility. (I count the first couple years as a war that at least achieved the routing of Al Qaeda.)

Some people are even blaming the former for the latter, which of course is utterly ignorant.

 

[Toynbee]

Well, would YOU tune to CNN? One of the most biased, anti-news channels there is, right there alongside MSNBC, NBC, CBS, and ABC.

I think it's great they're criticizing Biden - goodness knows that's all Biden is good for - criticism, but I wouldn't trust CNN enough to tune in even for that.

It's time they gave up the ghost of pretense that they're into "news" and go the way of the Dodo.

 

[sandman]

Well, blaming Trump is a give in ....I believe it is written into their bylaws.....But

This one is squarely on Biden, He ignored the advisers and dismissed the military officials and strategist.
And when I say Biden...I really don't know who I am talking about...because, I don't believe it's his decisions ...someone else is pulling the strings.

 

[durangodawood]

Well, blaming Trump is a give in ....I believe it is written into their bylaws.....But

This one is squarely on Biden, He ignored the advisers and dismissed the military officials and strategist.
And when I say Biden...I really don't know who I am talking about...because, I don't believe it's his decisions ...someone else is pulling the strings.

What specifically is "this one"?

 

[Toynbee]

What specifically is "this one"?

That'd be the title and point of the thread

 

[durangodawood]

That'd be the title and point of the thread

Biden is to blame for "Afghanistan"?

This is exactly the kind of brain fog I'm talking about.

 

[Toynbee]

smh

 

[ThatRobGuy]

The honeymoon phase had to end at some point.

The "at least Trump's not here anymore" and "phew, now the adults are back in charge" stuff isn't going to be enough to carry a person through 4 years without criticism by entities that purport to be news organizations.

Or, the other alternative... left-leaning outlets used Biden (because of his status as a moderate) to beat Trump (when they would've preferred someone much further left of Biden, but a far-left person may have lost), and now that that's happened, a geriatric moderate is no longer of any use to them, so now it's time to pounce so that they can get him out of the way and run the type of person they actually prefer in 2024.

 

[Isilwen]

Biden is to blame for "Afghanistan"?

This is exactly the kind of brain fog I'm talking about.

Exactly.

“I started the process, all the troops are coming home, they (Biden) couldn’t stop the process. 21 years is enough. They (Biden) couldn’t stop the process, they (Biden) wanted to but couldn’t stop the process.”

https://twitter.com/theNuzzy/status/1427051039404957697?s=20

 

[Arcangl86]

Biden is the person who finalized the withdrawal of American troops, but Trump is the person who put the withdrawal into action and did the lion's share of the work. They do both share the blame. But I'm sure if Biden had decided to break Trump's agreement with the Taliban and kept troops there he would have been attacked for that.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

This one is squarely on Biden, He ignored the advisers and dismissed the military officials and strategist.
And when I say Biden...I really don't know who I am talking about...because, I don't believe it's his decisions ...someone else is pulling the strings.

I don't Blame Biden for it, nor do I blame Trump, nor do I blame Obama...

A lot of these "we need to spread democracy, and it's the job of America to make sure everyone else has a Madisonian republic like we do" notions came from the Bush administration.

 

[Isilwen]

Biden is the person who finalized the withdrawal of American troops, but Trump is the person who put the withdrawal into action and did the lion's share of the work. They do both share the blame. But I'm sure if Biden had decided to break Trump's agreement with the Taliban and kept troops there he would have been attacked for that.

Yes, as my girlfriend said, Biden is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

 

[durangodawood]

Biden is the person who finalized the withdrawal of American troops, but Trump is the person who put the withdrawal into action and did the lion's share of the work. They do both share the blame. But I'm sure if Biden had decided to break Trump's agreement with the Taliban and kept troops there he would have been attacked for that.

Blame? They both deserve credit for finally dropping the curtain on our longest war.

 

[BeyondET]

I noticed CNN being critical of Biden for 20 minutes so I started this thread because that surprised, but lol, as I was typing this I heard "Trump is to blame as well"
perhaps the money making strategy for CNN will be attack Trump and Biden

a 20 year war and trump is to blame lol.
i have read and heard the afghan army was being paid by america once they stopped receiving paychecks basically they quit, no paycheck no will to fight.

 

[.Mikha'el.]

Well, would YOU tune to CNN? One of the most biased, anti-news channels there is, right there alongside MSNBC, NBC, CBS, and ABC.

I suppose you're going to try to convince everyone that FOX is balanced...

 

[durangodawood]

a 20 year war and trump is to blame lol.
i have read and heard the afghan army was being paid by america once they stopped receiving paychecks basically they quit, no paycheck no will to fight.

Trump is to blame for letting it carry on for about 3 more useless years than it had to.

But of course he's not to blame for the Taliban ending up as the Afghan govt generally. That was going to be the outcome sooner.... or later.

 

[BeyondET]

Trump is to blame for letting it carry on for about 3 more useless years than it had to.

But of course he's not to blame for the Taliban ending up as the Afghan govt generally. That was going to be the outcome sooner.... or later.

i can easily say so was obama and biden to blame for letting it carry on for 8 years. biden could of eased out a little less so people wouldn't be hanging on to airplanes falling off.

 

[Albion]

People are quite confused about this whole issue.

There's the debacle of the hour by hour US pull out. Yes its awful. But.....

Then there's the sheer horror of an 18 year expenditure of American lives and wealth amounting to nothing.

People are mesmerized by the images of the moment, possibly to avoid contemplating the big picture of near two decades of futility. (I count the first couple years as a war that at least achieved the routing of Al Qaeda.)

Some people are even blaming the former for the latter, which of course is utterly ignorant.

It's unlikely that very many Americans are indeed "quite confused" or "mesmerized" over the fall of Afghanistan. It is possible to argue that there had to be an end to our presence in that country sometime or other...or that a withdrawal would be dangerous and would require plenty of planning,

but Biden caused a calamity in several different ways with his "cut and run" approach, none of which had to be inevitable or unavoidable.

Then he literally went into hiding during the crisis, and now he shamelessly tries to excuse himself from the horrors currently unfolding and from those that will come because of him and him alone. There's no silver lining to this.

 

[durangodawood]

i can easily say so was obama and biden to blame for letting it carry on for 8 years. biden could of eased out a little less so people wouldn't be hanging on to airplanes falling off.

Absolutely Obama is to blame, imo, for carrying on with the war.

But the ultimate blamee in the all-important blame game is the Bush administration and it's enablers who bought into the utopian fantasy of nation building in the first place.