Many, including myself, dont believe Imus should have been fired. As I wrote earlier, I watched Imus every morning and now I have a void that needs filled.
Everybody (mostly) does agree his words were wrong and a suspension was in order.
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Why wasn't Imus been fired before??
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Everybody (mostly) does agree his words were wrong and a suspension was in order.
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Frankly, he shouldn't even have been suspended.
What they should have done is take his comment, set it to a rap beat, add a few more offensive lyrics, and released it for radio play.
Probably would have sold 500 million copies.
What they should have done is take his comment, set it to a rap beat, add a few more offensive lyrics, and released it for radio play.
Probably would have sold 500 million copies.
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Racism is alive and well and living in America. The basketball team has also received death threats.
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Thank You for pointing that out. It is indeed a sad, and sobering reality. Although I did enjoy Imus, I have no sympathy for his plight. It is reprehensible that some attack Sharpton, Jackson and the Rutgers women's basketball team because of the words of Don Imus
Imus made his bed, you know the rest.
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Be it know that if you were to be kicked off the form for what you have written here, many would leave of our own free will. You have stated your case and not inflamator. You ain't no Imus!!!! And, if someone flames you just move to the next post and pay no attention.
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I said this in the last topic on Don Imus and I'll say it again in this topic. People need to stop focusing on the word being used and start focusing on the delivery and the meaning behind the word. Have you seen Lenny Bruce or George Carlin? There is always this jump to go after black comedians to make it appear as if they're the only ones that use racial slurs. George Carlin and Lenny Bruce also use racial slurs, and no one has a problem with it. Why? Because they way in which they use words is different and important.
As for comedy acts, the "white people do this/black people do this" acts are old and gone (the mid-90's). Dave Chappelle did a skit on "Chappelle's Show" where he did a parody of "Def Comedy Jam" with poetry. He was beating drums and said, "White people do this, black people do this! When white people's lights go out, they panic. When black people's lights go out, they plan it!" It's poking fun at how comedy used to be, and even taking most of that into consideration it was an attempt to illustrate differences and made fun of black people more. There was nothing racist in the comedy. The only problem with comedy like that is that it's stereotype comedy, which isn't as popular these days.
People like Carlos Mencia are trying to channel Dave Chappelle where they use stereotypes and racism to illustrate how stupid it is, like the Blind Black Klan Leader on "Chappelle's Show." Now I don't think Carlos Mencia is effective or funny, but it's not racist. It's all about intent, it's all about the user, it's all about the delivery. Compare Don Imus (or Michael Ricards for that matter) to Chris Rock, Larry David, Dave Chappelle, George Carlin, Lenny Bruce, there is stark difference in their use and delivery of language. Seriously, listen to Carlin talk about feminists. The reason Carlin is not hated is because his comedy is about commentary, not just making slurs against people. For anyone to just make slurs against a person or group, no matter what color you are, you will not be seen as funny.
Whenever I see topics like this, it seems people want to make it look as if there is a dividing line between white and black, and there isn't. The reason why people like Imus and Michael Richards are attacked is because they were being racist. Michael Richards was being heckled, he's a comedian, and when you're heckled, you better learn how to handle the crowd. Calling them a racial slur is not funny and it exhibits a poor stand up comic. This makes sense as Richards really is a physical comedian, so he should never do stand up. I saw Dave Chappelle live and he handled hecklers effortlessly. There was a guy in the crowd shouting, "Smoke weed! Yeah get that cocaine, do crack!" This guy was just loud and standing up while Dave was trying to do his act. So Chappelle turns to him and says, "Do crack? You know, <he makes a reference to having a sexual relation with a crackhead>, and that was the last time I saw your mother." The entire crowd went, "Ooohhh," and that guy just sat down. Chappelle's response, "He wanted to be in the show, now he's in the show." That was an audience with people of all colors, faiths, ethnicities, etc. It was funny. When Michael Richards snapped, it wasn't funny and people of all colors, faiths, ethnicities, etc. didn't think it was funny. They left. It had nothing to do with double standards. Richards intention was racist, it wasn't a joke. Stop treating this as if there are two sides, one black and one white.
We can get into rappers, but I'd rather not because it is more complex than people think. There a lot of black people that dislike the language and music made by rappers. But people also bring up rap knowing nothing about it. If you were to play rap music of the last few years, you won't hear everyone talking about drugs, at least no more than you hear about drug use in other genres. The most drug use you'll see is use of marijuana and alcohol. I don't think that's any different from other genres, but the other side is the sexism in rap videos, and there's a lot of that. Many rap videos of recent have people showing off their money and material goods, which is really a snapshot of America: materialim is good. And then they throw in scantily clad women. This isn't all rap, but it's the pop rap. And when you talk about pop rap, you're not just dealing with black people, you're dealing with consumers, which means you're talking about people of all colors and stripes. This is exactly why I didn't want to get into this, it's a market-driven culture of materialism, hedonism, and sexism. When I think about those three things, that brushes all of America and it makes sense why pop rap is pop.
Anyone can use the words, they're harmless and neutral, it's all about the user. George Carlin is a genius.
That's George Carlin, he won't get attacked. Why did Michael Richards get attacked? Because his comments were racist. As Carlin puts it, it's the user. Imus wasn't making a social commentary and he wasn't illustrating any sort of point, he was making a comment that was racist and sexistGeorge Carlin said:
As for comedy acts, the "white people do this/black people do this" acts are old and gone (the mid-90's). Dave Chappelle did a skit on "Chappelle's Show" where he did a parody of "Def Comedy Jam" with poetry. He was beating drums and said, "White people do this, black people do this! When white people's lights go out, they panic. When black people's lights go out, they plan it!" It's poking fun at how comedy used to be, and even taking most of that into consideration it was an attempt to illustrate differences and made fun of black people more. There was nothing racist in the comedy. The only problem with comedy like that is that it's stereotype comedy, which isn't as popular these days.
People like Carlos Mencia are trying to channel Dave Chappelle where they use stereotypes and racism to illustrate how stupid it is, like the Blind Black Klan Leader on "Chappelle's Show." Now I don't think Carlos Mencia is effective or funny, but it's not racist. It's all about intent, it's all about the user, it's all about the delivery. Compare Don Imus (or Michael Ricards for that matter) to Chris Rock, Larry David, Dave Chappelle, George Carlin, Lenny Bruce, there is stark difference in their use and delivery of language. Seriously, listen to Carlin talk about feminists. The reason Carlin is not hated is because his comedy is about commentary, not just making slurs against people. For anyone to just make slurs against a person or group, no matter what color you are, you will not be seen as funny.
Whenever I see topics like this, it seems people want to make it look as if there is a dividing line between white and black, and there isn't. The reason why people like Imus and Michael Richards are attacked is because they were being racist. Michael Richards was being heckled, he's a comedian, and when you're heckled, you better learn how to handle the crowd. Calling them a racial slur is not funny and it exhibits a poor stand up comic. This makes sense as Richards really is a physical comedian, so he should never do stand up. I saw Dave Chappelle live and he handled hecklers effortlessly. There was a guy in the crowd shouting, "Smoke weed! Yeah get that cocaine, do crack!" This guy was just loud and standing up while Dave was trying to do his act. So Chappelle turns to him and says, "Do crack? You know, <he makes a reference to having a sexual relation with a crackhead>, and that was the last time I saw your mother." The entire crowd went, "Ooohhh," and that guy just sat down. Chappelle's response, "He wanted to be in the show, now he's in the show." That was an audience with people of all colors, faiths, ethnicities, etc. It was funny. When Michael Richards snapped, it wasn't funny and people of all colors, faiths, ethnicities, etc. didn't think it was funny. They left. It had nothing to do with double standards. Richards intention was racist, it wasn't a joke. Stop treating this as if there are two sides, one black and one white.
We can get into rappers, but I'd rather not because it is more complex than people think. There a lot of black people that dislike the language and music made by rappers. But people also bring up rap knowing nothing about it. If you were to play rap music of the last few years, you won't hear everyone talking about drugs, at least no more than you hear about drug use in other genres. The most drug use you'll see is use of marijuana and alcohol. I don't think that's any different from other genres, but the other side is the sexism in rap videos, and there's a lot of that. Many rap videos of recent have people showing off their money and material goods, which is really a snapshot of America: materialim is good. And then they throw in scantily clad women. This isn't all rap, but it's the pop rap. And when you talk about pop rap, you're not just dealing with black people, you're dealing with consumers, which means you're talking about people of all colors and stripes. This is exactly why I didn't want to get into this, it's a market-driven culture of materialism, hedonism, and sexism. When I think about those three things, that brushes all of America and it makes sense why pop rap is pop.
Anyone can use the words, they're harmless and neutral, it's all about the user. George Carlin is a genius.
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Give me a break! You don't think Imus has received death threats? He has recevied hundreds of them over the years.
I remember when Sosa and McQuire were about to beat Ruth's homerun record [no one cared about Maris], both received death threats. One black, one white. Death threats in America are an equal opportunity verbal abuse.
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I have no idea, I was only commenting on what was posted.
You think, did MCquire's threats reference ethnicity?
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Racismisbad, I think another key is that comedians use their slurs in general but Imus targeted a specific group of people, the Rutgers womens basketball team.
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I cant find any information that Sosa and Mcguire received death threats, is this true?
Same with the death treatts against Imus.
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I don't know? Probably not. However, I doubt if it made him feel better that it wasn't because of his race. A death threat is a death threat.
I do hope they could catch whoever threatened those girls. But then I wish they could catch those who threaten Imus. Put them altogether on a chain gang in some swamp in Florida. Might be some interesting interaction.
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There is no contradiction at all. Although I dont believe he should have been fired, I agreed with the suspension. Imus even admitted that he was wrong.
While you are questioning my posts, maybe you can also analyze fishons and question him on unbelievable/unsupported accusations?
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I don't think so, he didn't think he should have been fired but he made this trouble for himself so now he just has to deal with it.
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Yep. I agree wholeheartedly. I'm amazed at what people get so worked up about. We are a spoiled nation that such trivial matters get so much attention and so many devote so much time and attention to such. Feelings got hurt. Stupid things were said. Life is tough, move on. Sorry, it had to be said but good god we are a nation of pansies. Why do people care so much what others think or say of them? Don't like me, call me a whatever, hey, do as you wish, live your life and I'll live mine . Is that so hard?
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I find it amusing that this even became much of an issue. I don't object to him being fired, but in the context of entertainment today I don't find his comments shocking at all. Have you ever listened to Sarah Silverman (or countless others like her)? JUST WOW! Granted she is on cable, but the racist things she says are truely shocking.
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Ummm I didnt think of that....Good point! me dum.
If you cause all the money to go away from a company than yeah you should be fired. For the comment my standpoint is kinda shakey at this point because on side I see it was a nasty comment but when I saw it I thought it was innocent and still kinda do after watching several videos of it on youtube ( I know REAL reliable but anyhoo) but he could of used any other words but he chose those. If your on national TV you need to choose your words carefully as to not upset large groups of people but you know as a whole we just need to kinda get over these so called Shock Personalities and realize there is more to life than complaining about 3 words. However he cause the network to lose however much money they lost so....if you are an employee somewhere and are insulting the customers and they leave and the business loses money you should be fired. Sorry if that was poorly written I am kinda tired from work. running around with lots of bibles in each arm putting them out lol
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Why wasn't him fired before? Puzzled?
It's not for his racial remarks. It's for 911 truths.
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American radio icon Don Imus disgraced, fired after threat to reveal 9/11 secrets
13.04.2007 Pravda
In a clear sign of its intent to reign in dissident American media personalities, and their growing influence in American culture, US War Leaders this past week launched an unprecedented attack upon one of their most politically 'connected', and legendary, radio hosts named Don Imus after his threats to release information relating to the September 11, 2001 attacks upon that country.
According to European reports of the events surrounding Don Imus that have gripped the United States this past week, it was during an interview with another American media personality, Tim Russert, who is the host of a television programme frequently used by US War Leaders, wherein while decrying the state of care being given to American War wounded stated, "So those bastards want to keep these boys [in reference to US Soldiers] secret? Let's see how they like it if I start talking about their [in reference to US War Leaders] secrets, starting with 9/11."
Unable to attack such a powerful media figure as Don Imus, directly, the US War Leaders, and as we have seen many times before, resorted to a massive media attack against him using as the reason a racial slur against a US woman's basketball team, but which has been pointed out by other media outlets was not by any means a rare occurrence for the legendary radio icon to make.
But, to the US War Leaders, Don Imus represented the most serious threat, to date, of the growing assault against them by America's media personalities threatening to expose the truths behind the events of September 11, 2001 and the Iraq/Afghanistan Wars; and to such an extent that another American media personality, Rosie O'Donnell, has expressed concern that US Military Leaders could actually imprison Mr. Imus.
From our past research of the tactics used against those threatening America's War Leaders, the likelihood of imprisonment for Don Imus would only occur should he persist in his threats to undermine their authority, and which appears, at this time, unlikely after the public disgrace he has had to endure.
It is expected, also, that the US War Leaders actions against Don Imus will have a further chilling affect upon other American media personalities questioning their authority, such as the popular US movie actor, Charlie Sheen, and who was one of the first to question the events of September 11, 2001, and as we can read as reported by New Zealand Herald News Service in their article titled "Charlie Sheen may voice 9/11 documentary", and which says: ........
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/89728-0/
It's not for his racial remarks. It's for 911 truths.
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American radio icon Don Imus disgraced, fired after threat to reveal 9/11 secrets
13.04.2007 Pravda
In a clear sign of its intent to reign in dissident American media personalities, and their growing influence in American culture, US War Leaders this past week launched an unprecedented attack upon one of their most politically 'connected', and legendary, radio hosts named Don Imus after his threats to release information relating to the September 11, 2001 attacks upon that country.
According to European reports of the events surrounding Don Imus that have gripped the United States this past week, it was during an interview with another American media personality, Tim Russert, who is the host of a television programme frequently used by US War Leaders, wherein while decrying the state of care being given to American War wounded stated, "So those bastards want to keep these boys [in reference to US Soldiers] secret? Let's see how they like it if I start talking about their [in reference to US War Leaders] secrets, starting with 9/11."
Unable to attack such a powerful media figure as Don Imus, directly, the US War Leaders, and as we have seen many times before, resorted to a massive media attack against him using as the reason a racial slur against a US woman's basketball team, but which has been pointed out by other media outlets was not by any means a rare occurrence for the legendary radio icon to make.
But, to the US War Leaders, Don Imus represented the most serious threat, to date, of the growing assault against them by America's media personalities threatening to expose the truths behind the events of September 11, 2001 and the Iraq/Afghanistan Wars; and to such an extent that another American media personality, Rosie O'Donnell, has expressed concern that US Military Leaders could actually imprison Mr. Imus.
From our past research of the tactics used against those threatening America's War Leaders, the likelihood of imprisonment for Don Imus would only occur should he persist in his threats to undermine their authority, and which appears, at this time, unlikely after the public disgrace he has had to endure.
It is expected, also, that the US War Leaders actions against Don Imus will have a further chilling affect upon other American media personalities questioning their authority, such as the popular US movie actor, Charlie Sheen, and who was one of the first to question the events of September 11, 2001, and as we can read as reported by New Zealand Herald News Service in their article titled "Charlie Sheen may voice 9/11 documentary", and which says: ........
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/89728-0/
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