Why Paris is Burning

[Robby]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nypost/2005...xIF;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhdA--

 

[JPPT1974]

Yeah that is the youth of the world today.
Have no manners.
Nor no concious.
Can do whatever they please.

 

[PorcelainHeart]

Yeah that is the youth of the world today.
Have no manners.
Nor no concious.
Can do whatever they please.

I very much agree, most younger people I meet are pretty nasty and selfish.

 

[Maynard Keenan]

Hmm peopel around here just must be better people than you guys are used to seeing. Or maybe I just hang in the right crowds.

 

[Ave Maria]

Unfortunately, many youth are like this these days. They're not all bad of course but they do seem to be a lot worse than even my own generation which was just teenagers a few years ago!

 

[MadeInOz]

*shakes his head in bewilderment*

What has happened to humanity?

I fear for the future of the human race.

 

[AdmirableArmstrong]

Unfortunately, many youth are like this these days. They're not all bad of course but they do seem to be a lot worse than even my own generation which was just teenagers a few years ago!

The ongoing big news story in France is about much more than rude teenagers:

http://www.christianforums.com/t2280012-waves-of-teen-riot-arson-attacks-hit-paris.html

 

[ZACTAK]

Hmm peopel around here just must be better people than you guys are used to seeing. Or maybe I just hang in the right crowds.

More than likely you just don't notice it. I thought my town's youth wasn't out of control... then I got a job at a juvenile detention center, it is shocking! We have three boys in there right now for forcible rape... and we are almost at capacity in the facility! I last worked on Wednesday and we were at 19 out of 24 rooms! I never would have thought it could be possible.

 

[AdmirableArmstrong]

Please.

These guys are waging WAR on the government of France and you are comparing them to juvenile delinquents. Wake up and smell the gunpowder!

 

[Billy Batson]

this is the end result of french culture's concerted efforts once more to answer the social question -- the existence of poverty (arendt's on revolution). not only the social question but also the ability of a nation to absorb the world's visitors as her own.

historically, france has always been more of a melting pot than the united states ever was. we are more like a pot composed of various metal chunks. theirs is a complete melting pot until the more recent influx of muslims. the french actively encouraged the use of french and expected all to learn the language spoken by their peers. language and identity go hand in hand. they take a much more prideful approach to their culture to our lasse faire attitude toward ours. yes, we have the blind patriotic types that emerged in recent years, but i guarantee they would never enlist in our army or bother to learn the constitution, the legacy of presidents, election cycles, parties, etc., etc. the french encourage their history to their children along with the sciences (gasp!).

the recent problem as pointed out in the article is that the old system has faltered with the times set by the advent of the huge influx of the muslim culture who live in the ghettos. these places are no longer places where native french people live. they have moved.

the youths may have been the catalyst but it's been a social situation that's long been brewing.

i would say more but i'm too upset with most of you to elaborate w/o resorting to name calling.

 

[CCGirl]

did you people even read the damned article or just commenting on what you briefly see in ten second sound bytes?

this is the end result of french culture's concerted efforts once more to answer the social question -- the existence of poverty (arendt's on revolution). not only the social question but also the ability of a nation to absorb the world's visitors as her own.

historically, france has always been more of a melting pot than the united states ever was. we are more like a pot composed of various metal chunks. theirs is a complete melting pot until the more recent influx of muslims. the french actively encouraged the use of french and expected all to learn the language spoken by their peers. language and identity go hand in hand. they take a much more prideful approach to their culture to our lasse faire attitude toward ours. yes, we have the blind patriotic types that emerged in recent years, but i guarantee they would never enlist in our army or bother to learn the constitution, the legacy of presidents, election cycles, parties, etc., etc. the french encourage their history to their children along with the sciences (gasp!).

the recent problem as pointed out in the article is that the old system has faltered with the times set by the advent of the huge influx of the muslim culture who live in the ghettos. these places are no longer places where native french people live. they have moved.

the youths may have been the catalyst but it's been a social situation that's long been brewing.

i would say more but i'm too upset with most of you to elaborate w/o resorting to name calling.

Excellent and insightful post!

Social factors, unemployment, displaced people are all contributing to this mess in Paris. Disaffected youth with no hope are what we are witnessing, people

 

[GraceInHim]

A woman on crutches was doused in flammable liquid and set on fire earlier this week as she tried to get off a bus in a Paris suburb, a judicial official said Friday. She suffered severe burns.

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[Diane_Windsor]

Yeah that is the youth of the world today.
Have no manners.
Nor no concious.
Can do whatever they please.

Would you kindly stop generalizing the youth of today. I know several who are productive members of society.

Diane

 

[GraceInHim]

Would you kindly stop generalizing the youth of today. I know several who are productive members of society.

Diane

yes mine is a Marine 19 years old serving to protect - so there are productive teens. just say some or part of.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

So youths commit crime with impunity, islamic radicals intimidate those they don't want in their "areas" to leave, and migrants are encourgaed not to assimilate. No wonder there are riots.

This rebellion should have been put down by the army - 10 years ago.

 

[Multi-Elis]

The problem with this article, (and some of the replies here show it) is that is focuses on Islam as being the problem.
I live in the famous departement that is having all these problems, I live in one of those subherbs that are having so much trouble. I live in highrise scocial housing.

I feel that the article's describtions of places where woman have to wear veils and men have to grow beards is missplaced and a piece of information that leads to the wrong conclusions. Not only do I not know of such a place around where I live, but also the role Islam plays in this story is one that could be substituted by any other religion existing as a minority and being constantly looked down on.

In my oppinion, from what I have observed, from the people of met, and from some of the volenteer work I've done, the problem--though complex--is more a question of clashing cultures, and miss-understandings.

In the work force, for instance, there is a clash of cultural understanding. Employers want relyable, experienced people who can be counted on, and who share the same work ethics as they do. Potential emplyees, don't have experience, can't be counted on to have the same work ethics such as waking up early to go to work(they can be taught, but no employer wants to teach work ethics.), being responsible honest, etc. They might have them, but it isn't sure.

In education, kids are under peer pressure not to be "intellos" that is, intellectual nerds. They come from family backgrounds that don't encourage book learning. They don't have book culture, and don't think it's cool. They have a higher tendancy to leave school early, and don't have the self-estime to get the right diplomas later on. So naturally, they aren't getting anywhere there.

Lastly, socially, French people, the good old bourgeois "intellos", are much more comfortable in their neighboourhoods and don't make the effort to get to know these children and grandchildren of immigrents, share their work ethics, share their culture, and learn what these kids have to share.

There is no "solution" "compromize" or "things they are fighting for". Because there is not negotiable solution, no possible solution, no quick answer, nothing. That is why this isn't organized--it's all improvised, emotional reaction, and trying to be "cool".

I think that my post sounds a bit negative in tone. But it isn't. I wish a change of attitude and an effort for love were made. There are no fingers to be pointed, there is no one to blame, there is no one whose fult all this.

What role does Islam play? Identity. A different identity than that of consumerist bourgeois intellos.

 

[PorcelainHeart]

In the northeast suburb of Sevran on Wednesday, youths doused a woman on crutches with flammable liquid and set her on fire with a burning rag as she struggled to get off a bus, a judicial official said, citing the bus driver's report to police. The driver, who had ordered passengers to leave the bus because flaming objects were blocking the road, helped the injured woman get off, the official said.

I don't care what the reason is for them doing this, buring someone is very much uncalled for. People like this give us youth a bad name.

Yeah that is the youth of the world today.
Have no manners.
Nor no concious.
Can do whatever they please.

Kids are like that because the parents seem to have no time for them. Some of the meanest people I met were teens. We have a bunch of teens on our street and they have done alot of mean stuff to me, like try to run me over and make fun of me. I know not all teens are like that, just the ones I meet are.

 

[Billy Batson]

stupid islam.

yeah cos christians are so great. our president is a what? how many people has he killed?

 

[Rochir]

stupid islam.

Oh yeah! Remind me again how many Muslims are involved in riots taking place, time and again, in Northern Ireland!

 

[interpreter]

Please.

These guys are waging WAR on the government of France and you are comparing them to juvenile delinquents. Wake up and smell the gunpowder!

Well said.

The rioters are Islamic terrorists.