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Are we grafted into Israel? Or is Israel grafted into the church? Or are they separate people with separate promises? Who's promises are who's?
The Church is redeemed Jews and Gentiles in one Body until the Rapture. But there are promises to Israel under the Abrahamic Covenant which do not apply to the Church, and will be fulfilled after the Second Coming of Christ.Are we grafted into Israel? Or is Israel grafted into the church? Or are they separate people with separate promises? Who's promises are who's?
In grafting something has to exist to graft to, and chronologically Israel also came first. As far as the ultimate fulfillment of the promise to Abraham that comes through the graft. Does that help?
Gotta add that I doubt that is where this is going
From my view the Church is what He established and remains as establishing His Kingdom on earth and to which all Christians are a part.
Would you say a Christian must observe the Law of Moses? The ceremonial and dietary portions especially?Israel is the church and ex-Gentile believers have been grafted into it.
Would you say a Christian must observe the Law of Moses? The ceremonial and dietary portions especially?
So a Christian should observe the law. But we shouldn't literally observe it as it is written. So how could you know if you are truly observe the "right" interpretation of the law?
I agree that we should trust God to lead us into truth. I am hesitant about Hebrew roots theology however.
Are we grafted into Israel? Or is Israel grafted into the church? Or are they separate people with separate promises? Who's promises are who's?
Do we ever really think about all those who lived before Jacob even became Israel? Did they just happen to 'miss' the plan of God? I think not. And what happens to all Israel which was "broken off" because of 'unbelief' while we're being "grafted in" because 'of belief'? I think we lack too much understanding of temporal things, let alone grasp the true eternal plan of God which will take "ages to come" to reach fulfillment.The gentiles were grafted into Israel at the time of the apostles because the apostles were inseparable from Israel and the Jews, but what "Israel" was, takes another form now. This is what is meant by "the promise" . The promise took the form of a physical seed bringing forth a great nation that fell. And the promise gave dominion to David's seed the everlasting king, Jesus Christ.
I've been saying "I am the church" for several years now, but I think what you just said...says it better. I do say "think", because I'm still not totally sure. I just know that many times when I tell people "I am the church" they seem to think that I'm excluding anyone else which is simply not the case. But such is the thinking of carnal minded "Christians".So in a way, I AM CHURCH, and so is everyone else in the body under Christ Jesus' headship.
Jesus said if we followed two laws, that essentially everything else given by the prophets are held by those two. The freedom from strict following of The Law was not something His Disciples were apparently famous for as the lack of drew criticism from Jewish leadership more than one occasion. A strict following of The Law also did not seem something He thought those that were "with Him", who we have reason to believe were all Jews (at least the men), needed to concern themselves with. Combined His statements with those of His Apostles concerning whether Christians should follow The Law, I do not see support for anything more than saying if you feel led to, and I think today that only a person raised as an orthodox Jew who had converted to Christianity might, then do so.
So no, most Christians don't follow The Law and never feel led to and do not have to feel bad about that.