What is the best TV channel for evolution?

[Zosimus]

Experience has shown it to be true.

Let me see if I understand your reasoning. When saying that experience has shown it to be true, you are claiming that this principle has worked well for you in the past. The assumption, therefore, is that what has worked in the past will also work in the future.

Why should I believe that the past is a good guide to the future? Will you also say, "Experience has shown this to be true?"

In short, you will say that you know that the past is a good guide to the future because it has worked in the past and will, therefore, presumably work equally well in the future? Isn't this circular logic?

 

[Kylie]

Let me see if I understand your reasoning. When saying that experience has shown it to be true, you are claiming that this principle has worked well for you in the past. The assumption, therefore, is that what has worked in the past will also work in the future.

Why should I believe that the past is a good guide to the future? Will you also say, "Experience has shown this to be true?"

In short, you will say that you know that the past is a good guide to the future because it has worked in the past and will, therefore, presumably work equally well in the future? Isn't this circular logic?

I am saying that when there have been two competing explanations for something, one of which is simple and the other complicated, it is usually the simplest one that is correct. This has happened countless times before.

After all, I can explain away my microwave by claiming magical pixies do the cooking, and I can explain the magical pixies by saying that they are created by a baby's first laugh, and I can explain how a baby's laugh turns into pixies by some other convoluted stuff, but it becomes needlessly complicated after a while, doesn't it? And yet, I could create a convoluted pixie explanation which still matches perfectly with what we see and explains all the scientific results we get from investigating microwaves. The scientific explanation, being simpler, is by far a better explanation.

 

[Kylie]

Yes, indeed.

Just keep that in mind if you ever hear anyone say religion is sterile and on its way out.

Are you saying that you think religion is crazy? And leads people to crazy things?

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you saying that you think religion is crazy? And leads people to crazy things?

No ... but now that you mention it ...

 

[Kylie]

No ... but now that you mention it ...

For once, it seems we are in agreement...

 

[Jan Volkes]

Would creationists watch any channels that had programmes about evolution on them? if they had any sense they would but I doubt it very much indeed.
The only way creationism is ever going to remain true for someone is if they never question what they have been told,
if they believe and remain ignorant of any opposing arguments they should remain creationists until the day they die.

A little snippet for creationist in the US, if you have enough money in the UK you can start your own school teaching whatever subjects you want as long as you included the national curriculum, [math, English, science etc.] you were also able to teach creationism....... that has now been banned, creationism can no longer be taught in any school outside of the religious knowledge class in the UK.

https://humanism.org.uk/2014/06/18/...es-free-schools-teaching-creationism-science/

 

[AV1611VET]

Would creationists watch any channels that had programmes about evolution on them?

If they so choose.

if they had any sense they would but I doubt it very much indeed.

Why don't you make a poll and see?

The only way creationism is ever going to remain true for someone is if they never question what they have been told,

What if others question them?

if they believe and remain ignorant of any opposing arguments they should remain creationists until the day they die.

No argument there.

I believe evolution's antithesis -- therefore I don't need to understand evolution.

A little snippet for creationist in the US, if you have enough money in the UK you can start your own school teaching whatever subjects you want as long as you included the national curriculum, [math, English, science etc.] you were also able to teach creationism....... that has now been banned, creationism can no longer be taught in any school outside of the religious knowledge class in the UK.

A little snippet for evolutionists in the UK, some believe the Antichrist is going to come from Europe.

 

[Jan Volkes]

A little snippet for evolutionists in the UK, some believe the Antichrist is going to come from Europe.

An Antichrist? was there ever a Christ? people believe there was but then people also believed there was a Cyclops and a
Gorgon and dozens of other weird and wonderful things, how much evidence there is for these things is pretty flimsy to say the least, in those times if people could imagine a thing they thought it must have existed somewhere at sometime, if someone said they saw it then it was taken for granted that it was true, miracles were true because people said they had seen them, what more proof would anyone need? every map had unknown places where it was written 'There be Dragons'.

 

[AV1611VET]

A little snippet for evolutionists in the UK, some believe the Antichrist is going to come from Europe.

An Antichrist?

THE Antichrist.

 

[Strathos]

THE Antichrist.

For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

 

[Jan Volkes]

THE Antichrist.

Before you can have the antichrist you must first have the Christ, was there a Christ? surely just believing there was is not enough?

 

[AV1611VET]

2 John 1:7 said

Yes.

We need to make a distinction between ANTICHRISTS and THE ANTICHRIST.

Just like we need to make a distinction between MESSIAHS and THE MESSIAH.

 

[AV1611VET]

Before you can have the antichrist you must first have the Christ, was there a Christ? surely just believing there was is not enough?

QV please:

Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed historically, and historians consider the Synoptic Gospels (Mark, Matthew and Luke) to be the best sources for investigating the historical Jesus.

SOURCE

It is no longer a question of whether Jesus existed or not.

It has been settled by consensus of opinion among historians.

 

[Strathos]

Yes.

We need to make a distinction between ANTICHRISTS and THE ANTICHRIST.

Just like we need to make a distinction between MESSIAHS and THE MESSIAH.

And where does the Europe idea come from then? Do you just hate Europe for some reason?

 

[AV1611VET]

And where does the Europe idea come from then?

QV please:

Will the Antichrist come out of the European Union?

Who Is the Antichrist?

The power and rise to power of the Antichrist

I could go on and on.

Do you just hate Europe for some reason?

No.

Where do YOU think the Antichrist will come from?

(Please answer this ... thanks.)

 

[Strathos]

When it says "The European Union is clearly the fulfillment" I had to question what their definition of 'clearly' is.

And if by Antichrist, you mean the Beasts spoken of in Revelation, it says the first one will come from the sea and the second one will come from the earth. Of course Revelation is one of the most complex and difficult to interpret books of the Bible, so that might not be literal, but if it's not I couldn't tell you for sure what it does mean.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

PBS has a great 3 part documentary on Evolution called "Your Inner Fish" I think it's still available on Netflix.

 

[whois]

Why should I believe that the past is a good guide to the future? Will you also say, "Experience has shown this to be true?"

yes, i would say past events is a reasonably good place to start when analyzing a problem.
the only other recourse is to take a wild stab in the dark.

for example:
i say 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6,
okay, that's the past.
what would be your logical response as to what comes next?
the most reasonable answer based on the past would be 7.
a wild guess in the dark would be a strauss opera.

it does always work that way, but past experiences is always a good place to start.
unless you like reinventing the wheel.

 

[whois]

I would suggest that mathematics and logic exist outside of time so do not make the best examples for this argument, but gravity makes a nice example. If I take the laptop that I am typing this message on to my balcony(8th floor apartment) and hold it at arm's length and let go, we all would think it will fall and be destroyed. A wild guess would be to say it would turn into a lollipop.

it was the simplest analogy i could think of.

the fact remains though, past experiences are definitely worth looking at when gauging what could happen in the future.
like i said, it doesn't always work, but it's a lot better than taking wild stabs all the time.

 

[AV1611VET]

When it says "The European Union is clearly the fulfillment" I had to question what their definition of 'clearly' is.

And if by Antichrist, you mean the Beasts spoken of in Revelation, it says the first one will come from the sea and the second one will come from the earth. Of course Revelation is one of the most complex and difficult to interpret books of the Bible, so that might not be literal, but if it's not I couldn't tell you for sure what it does mean.

Then what's this 'hate Europe' bologna you asked me?