When a pearson gets "saved" what does that mean?
Ken
Ken
I'm sure there'll be a lot of legnthy replies, so I'll try to make it quick:
Saved: from spiritual death into eternal life
Saved: from bondage to sin into freedom in Christ
yes, saved from inevitable eternal separation from a perfect, just and Holy God which is the natural consequence of our sinful nature. If God is perfect and God is just he cannot tolerate any fault because then he would cease to be perfect... but God is love so he had a plan to "redeem us" or "save us"
What does spiritual death mean? That you no longer have a soul?
Also if you are saved from the bondage of sin, does that mean you will never sin again?
K
I will add that Salvation is both instantaneous, and progressive; so that ultimately it is "he who shall endure to the end shall be saved." Which in no way minimizes the reality our Lord can have in the here and now.
Again; what does it mean to be saved?
K
The description of Hell is synonymous with Spiritual death.What does spiritual death mean?
Perhaps it is better stated that the control over it will no long be offered to you. Curious as to what that might mean? Ask yourself what does it look like when those of us loose control over our minds?That you no longer have a soul?
It means we are free from the wage of sin.Also if you are saved from the bondage of sin, does that mean you will never sin again?
Salvation is participation in the Divine Life of the Holy Trinity by becoming united with the God-man, Jesus Christ.
Razontherock (quote) It does mean that our sin does not necessarily have to result in our own death, of any sort,
(reply) so are you saying that if you are saved and you die, you wont die as a result of sinning? Cant the same be said for the unsaved? I mean if a saved person and an unsaved person both get hit by a truck and die, where is the sin in that? Or am I misunderstanding you; if so please explain
K
So being saved means you can participate in the "devine life"? Can you say that in english please? I mean, what does it mean to participate in a devine life?
K
The description of Hell is synonymous with Spiritual death.
Perhaps it is better stated that the control over it will no long be offered to you. Curious as to what that might mean? Ask yourself what does it look like when those of us loose control over our minds?
It means we are free from the wage of sin.
So if you get saved, it means you will become free from the wages of sin?
Again; what does that mean? do you become perfect? sinless? exactly what happens when you get saved?
Ken
Hmmm. Sin is a cumulative thing. If you and/or I were to get hit by a truck and killed, I don't think G-d would hold that against us if it were an accident. Of course I would likely hold a stupid mistake like that against myself, but that's different
My sins, having been "laid on Jesus" by Faith, are atoned for, forgiven, and cleansed. You ... do you have any precious Faith to do any such thing?
IMHO this puts the following verse in it's proper perspective:
"and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." (Jude 1:3)
So if I am understanding you correctly, if you are saved, you can sin as much as you want, and just lay them on Jesus and all is forgiven; but if you are not saved you don't have that option; is that correct?
Ken
Paul tells us we should NOT keep going on in sin, he actually says God forbid we do that. We cannot be perfect, but as long as we place our faith and Christ and make a serious commitment to follow him then we have a promise to receive salvation, where we are given new perfect sinless bodies when Christ comes back. Of course we will make mistakes, although we should be trying our best not to and if it happens we are required to repent and refocus... of course christ says there will be some who come to him who say Lord, Lord din't we prohecy in your name etc... and he will say away from me, I never knew you. God is the ultimate authority of who was genuinely committed and who was abusing the get out of hell free card