We got ourselves a good ol' fashion terrorist attack in Colorado

[dogs4thewin]

Ah, I found it. http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/2015/11/27/colorado-springs-shooting/76454812/

Very sad, but in a sense given the situation it is a blessing that there are not more dead.

 

[Sword of the Lord]

So if a random idiot can shoot and wound 5 cops and kill another, and then live to tell about it, it doesn't exactly bode well for our ability to handle a large scale terrorist attack well.

 

[dogs4thewin]

So if a random idiot can shoot and wound 5 cops and kill another, and then live to tell about it, it doesn't exactly bode well for our ability to handle a large scale terrorist attack well.

Or it could just mean that the police restrained themselves it could be argued better than they have in the past.

 

[Sword of the Lord]

Or it could just mean that the police restrained themselves it could be argued better than they have in the past.

No. When a shooter has shot people and is shooting at police, they shoot to kill. They don't hold back. They're not supposed to hold back.

 

[dogs4thewin]

No. When a shooter has shot people and is shooting at police, they shoot to kill. They don't hold back. They're not supposed to hold back.

They are also not to use shooting as a first resort, however that is what I meant.

 

[benedictaoo]

I have to follow my conscience. God has planted this issue in my heart--an issue that many Catholics are not only apathetic about but often downright hostile to, but just because it's hard doesn't mean I shouldn't follow my conscience.

God gave me this orphan cause to be an advocate for. There are plenty of people talking about ending abortion while we shrug our shoulders about domestic terrorists in our midst.

There are two issues:

• to bring interpretation of the Second Amendment back to the way our Founding Fathers envisioned it--the sensible way it was interpreted until the late 1970's when the NRA started throwing obscene amounts of lobbying money into it while buying chairs at major universities and appointing professors to write articles to reinterpret the Constitution.
• to screen potential gun buyers for mental illness, and also to make treatment for mental illness and PTSD more affordable and available.

We have gun control laws. This is an impossible situation to solve. Going after the gun does not fix this. A) terrorism being allowed such easy access here and mentally ill people walking the streets. Fix that, its not because of guns... Besides, terrorist use bombs. This is not about the gun. Its about the people.

 

[Fantine]

We have gun control laws.

You coulda fooled me...

They are riddled with loopholes (just as the bodies of children are riddled with bullets because
the loopholes rendered those laws meaningless).

 

[MikeK]

We have gun control laws. This is an impossible situation to solve. Going after the gun does not fix this. A) terrorism being allowed such easy access here and mentally ill people walking the streets. Fix that, its not because of guns... Besides, terrorist use bombs. This is not about the gun. Its about the people.

You coulda fooled me...

They are riddled with loopholes (just as the bodies of children are riddled with bullets because
the loopholes rendered those laws meaningless).

You two are like broken records. Our Bishops have said /both/ that we need stronger gun control legislation /and/ that we should support the 2nd Ammendment and the General righ for law abiding citizens to keep and bear firearms. Each of you should be vocally calling for stronger background checks, mandatory registration, and limits on high capacity magazines and military-style weapons in civilian hands. You should also both be calling for expanded recognition of the law-abiding individual's right (not merely privilage) to own and carry firearms. Our Bishops have made themselves clear, and neither of you seem interested in getting in line with them.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

Three people are now confirmed dead, and the killers name has been released, Robert Lewis Dear, age 59.

 

[benedictaoo]

You two are like broken records. Our Bishops have said /both/ that we need stronger gun control legislation /and/ that we should support the 2nd Ammendment and the General righ for law abiding citizens to keep and bear firearms. Each of you should be vocally calling for stronger background checks, mandatory registration, and limits on high capacity magazines and military-style weapons in civilian hands. You should also both be calling for expanded recognition of the law-abiding individual's right (not merely privilage) to own and carry firearms. Our Bishops have made themselves clear, and neither of you seem interested in getting in line with them.

I agree with that, Mike. I disagree with what seems to be the underlying true intention which is to do away with gun ownership and the 2nd amendment. That's what is really wanted. I wish folks would just admit that and quit being shady about it. And I wish folks would just address the real problems which are easy access terrorist have and mentally ill people. Its easy to blame the gun and ignore the real need here which is to close the boarders and treat the mentally ill and those who are drug addicted and suffer from drug induced psychosis and brain damage. Why don't liberals care about those issue which are the real cause of violence?

 

[benedictaoo]

You coulda fooled me...

They are riddled with loopholes (just as the bodies of children are riddled with bullets because
the loopholes rendered those laws meaningless).

Look, I agree to a certain degree with you perspective. But do you get that we will never be able to round up all the guns on the streets that kill children? The barn door is open and can not be shut at this time. Focus on the violent people who use guns and not the gun itself. I live in the most gun violent city in the country, I think I know this issue well. Our problem is the evil mayor, not guns. Do something about the violence, those who kill have records of violence miles long, put them in jail and stop letting them out. revoking the 2nd amendment will not stop this.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

If the ones on here who are trying to imply that Christians are terrorists actually believed it they would not be posting on a Christian website. But they post here all the time which shows that the truth is they have no fear of Christians.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

If the ones on here who are trying to imply that Christians are terrorists actually believed it they would not be posting on a Christian website. But they post here all the time which shows that the truth is they have no fear of Christians.

I don't think anyone here is implying that Christians are terrorists. But perhaps a Christian can commit an act of terrorism based on a warped view of Christianity. I don't know if Robert Dear claims to be a Christian, but I imagine we will soon.

 

[MikeK]

I agree with that, Mike. I disagree with what seems to be the underlying true intention which is to do away with gun ownership and the 2nd amendment. That's what is really wanted. I wish folks would just admit that and quit being shady about it. And I wish folks would just address the real problems which are easy access terrorist have and mentally ill people. Its easy to blame the gun and ignore the real need here which is to close the boarders and treat the mentally ill and those who are drug addicted and suffer from drug induced psychosis and brain damage. Why don't liberals care about those issue which are the real cause of violence?

Liberals do, or should, care about treating mental illness and secure borders, we all should. We also need to be careful how we paint that picture, as most murders in this country are committed by legal citizens who are mentally healthy enough to stand trial.

 

[MikeK]

If the ones on here who are trying to imply that Christians are terrorists actually believed it they would not be posting on a Christian website. But they post here all the time which shows that the truth is they have no fear of Christians.

First, I don't think anyone is trying to imply that Christians are terrorists. 2nd, I don't think anyone here is so unhealthy as to avoid people of a particular race or religion out of fear.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

First, I don't think anyone is trying to imply that aChristians are terrorists. 2nd, I don't think anyone here is so unhealthy as to avoid people of a particular race or religion out of fear.

How much time do you spend on Muslim forums?

 

[MikeK]

How much time do you spend on Muslim forums?

Very little. I am not a Muslim and my only reason to have ever spent any time one one was to better understand their beliefs. Go on now, finish your thought. Is it your position that people who avoid Muslim web forums do so because they fear Muslims, rather than that they, you know, aren't Muslims?

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Very little. I am not a Muslim and my only reason to have ever spent any time one one was to better understand their beliefs.

How much is "very little"?

Go on now, finish your thought. Is it your position that people who avoid Muslim web forums do so because they fear Muslims, rather than that they, you know, aren't Muslims?

I'll answer that question with a question.

Why do you think non-Christians are so attracted to Christian forums when they aren't Christian?
.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

How much is "very little"?I'll answer that question with a question.

Why do you think non-Christians are so attracted to Christian forums when they aren't Christian?
.

What percentage of the non Christian population posts on Christian Forums? Most everyone I know well IRL is not Christian, and I don't know one that hangs out at Christian forums.

 

[Armoured]

If the ones on here who are trying to imply that Christians are terrorists actually believed it they would not be posting on a Christian website. But they post here all the time which shows that the truth is they have no fear of Christians.

No one is trying to project this extremist, violent behaviour to ALL Christians.

There is a lesson in this for you, if you think about it.