For those who believe salvation is unconditional (except faith obviously), please show Scripture proof texts that explicitly state that the are no conditions that one has to meet to accept Yeshua and be saved. And I'm not talking about Scriptures that promise salvation and omit conditions. That is fallacious because it is an argument from silence. Absence of conditions in certain verses that promise salvation for believing in Christ do not necessitate that there are no conditions when there are other texts that clearly say or imply that there are, which there are in abundance.
Unconditional Salvation Explicit Proof Texts Please
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Mark 16:16 "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved..." Baptized here is speaking baptism by the Holy Spirit not water.
Acts 2:21 "And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved"
Romans 5:1,9-10 "Therefore, having been justified by faith...","Much more than, having been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life."
Romans 5 there expresses the very important point that Christ died for everyone, not just the elect, not just the saved, but the whole world. "while we were enemies" means the unsaved..."reconciled to God through the death"..the "wages of sin is death", in order to reconcile the penalty of our sin requires death. Before Christ death we would have had to sacrifice by blood in order to be reconciled with God. Christ paid that price for all so that now all we have to do is believe in His resurrection. "having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life" Paul speaks often of how we died with Christ, and how we are risen with Christ. We get our new life through the resurrection of Christ. We become new creatures by believing in that resurrection.
John 3:15 "So that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life"
John 3:16 "...that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life"
John 6:40 "...that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life..."
1 John 5:13 "...written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life"
Is that enough or would you like more? There are also plenty that show a picture of salvation being forever..."never hungry", "never thirsty", etc.
Acts 2:21 "And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved"
Romans 5:1,9-10 "Therefore, having been justified by faith...","Much more than, having been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life."
Romans 5 there expresses the very important point that Christ died for everyone, not just the elect, not just the saved, but the whole world. "while we were enemies" means the unsaved..."reconciled to God through the death"..the "wages of sin is death", in order to reconcile the penalty of our sin requires death. Before Christ death we would have had to sacrifice by blood in order to be reconciled with God. Christ paid that price for all so that now all we have to do is believe in His resurrection. "having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life" Paul speaks often of how we died with Christ, and how we are risen with Christ. We get our new life through the resurrection of Christ. We become new creatures by believing in that resurrection.
John 3:15 "So that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life"
John 3:16 "...that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life"
John 6:40 "...that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life..."
1 John 5:13 "...written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life"
Is that enough or would you like more? There are also plenty that show a picture of salvation being forever..."never hungry", "never thirsty", etc.
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If you are saved, you are safe. We have denied ourselves, left behind our own selves with our self's free will. We have trusted in Jesus (Ephesians 1:12), which means we have left behind who we were and how we were able to be without God. So, now we are safe from how our human free will would choose to leave God. If we're not safe, we're not saved.
1 Corinthians 6:17 > if we are each "joined to the Lord" so that each is "one spirit with Him", He has us in union with Him in His almighty power to keep us with Him > 1 John 4:4. And in union we have communion in His nature so we no longer have the ability to leave Him > Hebrews 12:4-11 shows how our Father is correcting His children, so we are like Him, not leaving Him.
Philippians 2:13 > And now God is working in our wills. We are not free from God, in our worldly human wills, any more. But we are safe.
We have, I offer, denied our selves with our own wills > Luke 9:23.
1 John 4:17 confirms that one in Jesus has been perfected in His love so that "as He is, so are we in this world." If we are "as He is", we do not have the ability to leave Him, I offer.
1 Corinthians 6:17 > if we are each "joined to the Lord" so that each is "one spirit with Him", He has us in union with Him in His almighty power to keep us with Him > 1 John 4:4. And in union we have communion in His nature so we no longer have the ability to leave Him > Hebrews 12:4-11 shows how our Father is correcting His children, so we are like Him, not leaving Him.
Philippians 2:13 > And now God is working in our wills. We are not free from God, in our worldly human wills, any more. But we are safe.
We have, I offer, denied our selves with our own wills > Luke 9:23.
1 John 4:17 confirms that one in Jesus has been perfected in His love so that "as He is, so are we in this world." If we are "as He is", we do not have the ability to leave Him, I offer.
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You guys haven't given a single text that explicitly says there are no conditions to meet on our part to receive Yeshua. I think the only texts you could use to make the argument that we don't have to meet conditions other than belief that are the closest to meeting the criteria given in the OP are these:
Rom_3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Rom_4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Rom_4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Rom_9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
Rom_9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Rom_11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Gal_2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal_3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal_3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal_3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
2Ti_1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Tit 3:4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
Tit 3:6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
Tit 3:7 that being justified by His grace, we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
But these aren't really explicit and could be interpreted otherwise according to the other texts which clearly say there are.
Rom_3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Rom_4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Rom_4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Rom_9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
Rom_9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Rom_11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Gal_2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal_3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal_3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal_3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
2Ti_1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Tit 3:4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
Tit 3:6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
Tit 3:7 that being justified by His grace, we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
But these aren't really explicit and could be interpreted otherwise according to the other texts which clearly say there are.
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And these:
Rom_3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom_3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom_3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom_4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
Rom_10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Rom_10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
Rom 10:6 But the righteousness of faith says this: "Do not say in your heart, Who shall ascend into Heaven?" that is, to bring Christ down;
Rom 10:7 or "Who shall descend into the deep?"; that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.
Rom 10:8 But what does it say? "The Word is near you, even in your mouth and in your heart"; that is, the Word of Faith which we proclaim;
Rom 10:9 Because if you confess the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses unto salvation.
Gal_3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal_3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Gal_3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Gal_3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Gal_5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal_5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Php_3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Rom_3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom_3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom_3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom_4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
Rom_10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Rom_10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
Rom 10:6 But the righteousness of faith says this: "Do not say in your heart, Who shall ascend into Heaven?" that is, to bring Christ down;
Rom 10:7 or "Who shall descend into the deep?"; that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.
Rom 10:8 But what does it say? "The Word is near you, even in your mouth and in your heart"; that is, the Word of Faith which we proclaim;
Rom 10:9 Because if you confess the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses unto salvation.
Gal_3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal_3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Gal_3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Gal_3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Gal_5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal_5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Php_3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
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One of the first major issues I would have with this is that all of these texts come from Paul. And Peter spoke of Paul like this:
2Pe 3:15 And think of the long-suffering of our Lord as salvation (as our beloved brother Paul also has written to you according to the wisdom given to him
2Pe 3:16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable pervert, as also they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction).
2Pe 3:17 Therefore, beloved, knowing beforehand, beware lest being led away with the error of the lawless, you fall from your own steadfastness.
2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace and in knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.
And these texts are not actually explicit when taken into the context of other texts of Paul which clearly state conditions for eternal life. Hopefully I will be able to post them here soon.
2Pe 3:15 And think of the long-suffering of our Lord as salvation (as our beloved brother Paul also has written to you according to the wisdom given to him
2Pe 3:16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable pervert, as also they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction).
2Pe 3:17 Therefore, beloved, knowing beforehand, beware lest being led away with the error of the lawless, you fall from your own steadfastness.
2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace and in knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.
And these texts are not actually explicit when taken into the context of other texts of Paul which clearly state conditions for eternal life. Hopefully I will be able to post them here soon.
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Brothers and sisters:
I see True Science is up to his old tricks.
Trolling again and looking for controversy just to stir up the body.
My advice is to just ignore him.
That's what the Bible tells believers to do when a person shows an unhealthy interest in controversies.
Again - he's trolling. He's famous for it.
There are many like him on this forum.
You should drop this thread dead in it's tracks.
Of course you do what you want to with him. I just know what the Bible tells you to do with him.
I see True Science is up to his old tricks.
Trolling again and looking for controversy just to stir up the body.
My advice is to just ignore him.
That's what the Bible tells believers to do when a person shows an unhealthy interest in controversies.
Again - he's trolling. He's famous for it.
There are many like him on this forum.
You should drop this thread dead in it's tracks.
Of course you do what you want to with him. I just know what the Bible tells you to do with him.
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So obviously salvation is not "unconditional". The conditions are repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21). But thanks for the heads up Marvin.
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Hi Brother Job8,
How about backing up your theology with a contextual and grammatical interpretation of Scripture?
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One of the best articles I've read on this question is posted below with scriptures.
That's about as far as I'll go with this discussion. Largely because True Science is saying with their OP query that the faith of the Nazarene puts conditions on those who would come to Christ before they are accepted by Christ. I'd hope that others who identify with the faith of Nazarene would share as to what their understanding of salvation is, or what their church teaches concerning salvation.
That being said, the article is linked here because it cannot be pasted due to length. However, I would suggest anyone bold enough to pose the OP question is bold enough to take the time to read what it is they're saying they want the answer to.
And for the sake of souls and new Christians that could be afraid they're not really saved per True Scientists protestations related to one having to meet certain conditions before Christ will meet them .
Seven Proofs of Unconditional Salvation
Excerpted: There are far more proofs at the link above.
There are only two ways of eternal life - God's way or Satan's counterfeit. Either God gives eternal life as a free and unconditional gift, or man must perform conditions of faith or works to obtain it.
If man must do anything, then God's grace is ruined, man becomes his own saviour, religious financing determines eternal destiny, and Satan has robbed Jesus Christ of His glory!
Proof #2
God expressly denies man's will
or works in obtaining salvation.
The Bible clearly rejects man's decisions or actions in obtaining eternal life. God gives salvation as a free gift without any conditions or qualifications, and it is His will that determines eternal life, not the will of the sinner. His eternal counsel and choice is the basis for eternal life. And in order for salvation to be by grace, man cannot have any role in it; or grace would no longer be grace, and man would put God in a position of debt. Man's will and efforts are totally excluded.
God plainly denies man's will or efforts in salvation (John 1:13; Rom 9:16). These two texts are enough for those who tremble at God's word. They are plain, powerful, and conclusive. Yet the first is generally ignored when using John 1:12, and the second is quite unknown to most men.
God also clearly denies man's works in his own salvation (Rom 4:6; 9:11; Eph 2:9; II Tim 1:9; Tit 3:5). If man's works were included, God would be in debt to man; and He is not (Rom 4:4). If they were included, man would have reason to boast; but God does not allow it (Eph 2:9). If they were included, grace would no longer mean grace, for grace excludes works (Rom 11:6).
God saves men while they are dead in sins, not while they are willing or working (Rom 5:6-10; Eph 2:1- 5). He saves them while they are enemies, not while they are friends seeking Him. Salvation is a free gift, so God is never repaying man (Rom 5:18; 6:23; 4:4; 11:35).
Only God's will is active in the giving of eternal life (John 3:8; 5:21; Eph 1:5; Rom 9:15; James 1:18; Heb 10:9-10). God's glorious will is altogether sovereign, and man can no more direct it than he can direct the wind. To steal this prerogative from God and give it to man is blasphemy. God's mercy and predestinating purpose are based in His Own will, not in the will of man. His will and choice and decision are the basis for salvation, not that of dead rebel sinners.
Even faith is considered a work, part of the law, and a commandment (John 6:28-29; Matt 23:23; I John 3:23). And eternal life is not by works, the law, or commandments (Tit 3:5; Gal 2:21; 5:4; Rom 3:19). The only faith Scripture allows is faith trusting the God Who justifies the ungodly, which is very different from believing God justifies the faithful (Rom 4:5). Faith is only an evidence of eternal life, not a condition or means for it.
For those who believe eternal life is conditioned upon man's faith, they must answer whether this faith is with or without works. Without works, it is no more than a devil's faith and worth nothing (James 2:19); with works, it contradicts all the verses rejecting works (Tit 3:5). They must also explain how man obtains faith, since before regeneration he has none (Ps 10:4).
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There's nothing very complicated here, and John 3:14-18 makes it crystal clear. The primary condition for salvation is believing on the Lord Jesus Christ.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
The other side of the coin is repentance toward God (Acts 3:19):Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
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Brother Tiny Bible,
So you are saying that that God does not place any condition(s) on the unsaved to be saved? In other words, the unsaved are uncapable of believing in Jesus Christ?
Can you back this up from Scripture without violating accepted principles of interpretation? That is, where the context and grammar (author's intent) teaches what you believe without bringing assumptions?
Thank you.
In Christ!
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First of all repentance at the outset is a condition for salvation. Secondly the one who is truly saved examines himself daily, and if necessary repents if he is sinning. Thirdly, if a Christian does not repent, God chastises him, and if he continues to sin, then there is "a sin unto death", which means the premature death of the believer. See Acts 5:1-16.
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Brother Job8,
You were correct all along. Im sorry I misread your previous post. May God bless you.
In Christ!
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! could quote chapter and verse but that would not change your mind. One dare not simply give "opinions" on these matters.
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