Trump just promised an authoritarian ‘task force’ to impose Christian ideology

[Ragdoll]

I am a former Christian. I can speak from my own experiences as a Christian just fine. Don't pretend Christians are something special. Supporting Trump is completely contradictory to just about everything Jesus taught. I certainly don't need a Christian telling me what I can and can't speak about. Take my advice\opinion how ever you want, but don't act like I can't "preach" at Christians and point out blatant hypocracy when I see it. I can and I will.

You make a lot of presumptions about what atheists think and feel for a Christian. Save your righteous condescension for that mug in the mirror. Not sure what "atheist" countries you're referring to, but last time I checked the closest ones, Scandinavian and maybe Japan, weren't the hell holes for Christians or anyone else that you seem to think. Christians in American certainly aren't being persecuted to any great degree.

How many atheists were involved in Jan 6th do you think?

How many atheists were involved in Jan.6? I don't know. Probably not many since they usually vote for fascism. Scandinavia is not a socialist country.

Christians are something special. But to the atheist, nobody is special and life is insignificant. You're trying to preach morality when all your professors disagree with you as they teach and have taught for decades that morality is relative. Be consistent with your worldview. Trump saved our economy. I don't if you care about that but his efforts to save this country pulled a lot of people like me out of poverty and back to work again. That is an act of charity!! Voting for mass poverty as atheists do is not an act of charity.

For Biden so loved the poor that he made more of them.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

How many atheists were involved in Jan.6? I don't know. Probably not many since they usually vote for fascism. Scandinavia is not a socialist country.

Christians are something special. But to the atheist, nobody is special and life is insignificant. You're trying to preach morality when all your professors disagree with you as they teach and have taught for decades that morality is relative. Be consistent with your worldview. Trump saved our economy. I don't if you care about that but his efforts to save this country pulled a lot of people like me out of poverty and back to work again. That is an act of charity!! Voting for mass poverty as atheists do is not an act of charity.

For Biden so loved the poor that he made more of them.

Christians morality is relative. Yes/No: Is it moral to own human beings as property?

 

[Ragdoll]

Christians morality is relative. Yes/No: Is it moral to own human beings as property?

Christian morality is not relative. Its absolute. Everything we Christians believe is written. We are all held accountable for all our actions. We can go to eternal hell for living lawless in the eyes of God. We are held to a higher standard of living. Atheists have no standard of living and yet they want to force us Christians, by law, to be them. Sorry but that will never happen. Might as well give up now because there will be Christians on earth long after we're both gone. Get used to living with Christians. Learn to be tolerate. Practice what you preach.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

Christian morality is not relative. Its absolute. Everything we Christians believe is written. We are all held accountable for all our actions. We can go to eternal hell for living lawless in the eyes of God. We are held to a higher standard of living. Atheists have no standard of living and yet they want to force us Christians, by law, to be them. Sorry but that will never happen. Might as well give up now because there will be Christians on earth long after we're both gone. Get used to living with Christians. Learn to be tolerate. Practice what you preach.

It was a Yes/No question and you wrote a paragraph. The fact that you can’t answer that question with a simple yes or no proves I’m correct.

 

[Ragdoll]

It was a Yes/No question and you wrote a paragraph. The fact that you can’t answer that question with a simple yes or no proves I’m correct.

I answered you just fine. Live with it.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

I answered you just fine. Live with it.

I will. I will live by never being part of group that can’t say owning human being as property is wrong. It appears you are a part of one such group.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

How many atheists were involved in Jan.6? I don't know. Probably not many since they usually vote for fascism. Scandinavia is not a socialist country.

Christians are something special. But to the atheist, nobody is special and life is insignificant. You're trying to preach morality when all your professors disagree with you as they teach and have taught for decades that morality is relative. Be consistent with your worldview. Trump saved our economy. I don't if you care about that but his efforts to save this country pulled a lot of people like me out of poverty and back to work again. That is an act of charity!! Voting for mass poverty as atheists do is not an act of charity.

For Biden so loved the poor that he made more of them.

You're kooky, man. People like you affirm for me that my atheism was absolutely the correct decision.

 

[essentialsaltes]

You're trying to preach morality when all your professors disagree with you as they teach and have taught for decades that morality is relative.

I doubt that. [Not that I know who 'my' professors are.]

 

[Hans Blaster]

It was a Yes/No question and you wrote a paragraph. The fact that you can’t answer that question with a simple yes or no proves I’m correct.

The answer was indirectly given. "All morals are written" (in the Bible), so the answer is implicitly "Yes".

 

[Hans Blaster]

Christians are something special.

Well that explains your emissions.

But to the atheist, nobody is special and life is insignificant.

I can find any one special or not special. It's up to me. Significance is up to me. (And you, but I need not care what you think is significant.)

You're trying to preach morality when all your professors disagree with you as they teach and have taught for decades that morality is relative.

I never had *ANY* professors teaching morality or anything about morality. It would have been irrelevant and off topic in our courses.

Be consistent with your worldview.

I shudder to think what you conceive our "worldview" is. (And I've never run into a fully consistent worldview from any individual.)

 

[wing2000]

The majority of Christians disagree with you. The overwhelming majority of us see how our government is openly attacking our faith. You may not see that but, then again, you are a very small tiny minority of Christians who say we are not oppressed. So are the rest of us delusional? We never made such claims until Obama got into office. He began forcing his Marxist ideology on the country and here we are talking about the harm his Marxist ideology has done to erode our civil rights as Christians. Had there been no socialist movement in this country we would not be saying we are oppressed (since we never said anything like that prior to the rise of socialism in America). I hope that makes sense.

I don't agree that Christians are being persecuted in this country. You are free to worship and pray as you wish. I have yet to see any Christian persecuted for following the teachings of Jesus Christ.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Opinion | Trump just promised an authoritarian ‘task force’ to impose Christian ideology

The former president is still feeding the Christian right’s persecution complex

www.msnbc.com

In a Dec. 19 speech in Iowa, for example, Trump pledged, “As soon as I get back in the Oval Office, I’ll also immediately end the war on Christians. I don’t know if you feel it. You have a war. There’s a war.” Speaking just after the Colorado Supreme Court disqualified him from appearing on the state’s GOP primary ballot, Trump tied this “war” to his own legal woes. “Under crooked Joe Biden, Christians and Americans of faith are being persecuted and government has been weaponized against religion like never before. And also presidents like never before,” he added. “I always say Al Capone was treated better than I was treated.”​

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Trump has promoted the theme of Christian persecution in the past, but is elevating it again as these legal issues mount. His clear purpose is to deflect attention from his own criminal liabilities by insinuating that the same Biden administration he falsely claims is unfairly targeting him for prosecution is similarly persecuting religious Americans.​

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That Trump supporters believe him to be a "man of faith" is patently ridiculous. If I believed in such a thing as an "anti-christ", Trump would be the poster boy, A number 1 candidate.

Personally I think it would be great if the title of this thread were actually true because I care more about the teachings of Christ than the US Constitution. I also highly doubt the validity of this claim that most Trump supporters think he’s a “man of faith” because I don’t know a single person who believes that even tho they do support him.

 

[Brihaha]

You're kooky, man. People like you affirm for me that my atheism was absolutely the correct decision.

I disagree with the second sentence. Others' shortcomings shouldn't be used justify our own. I won't let the odd folks deter me from my salvation and belief in God and Jesus. It seems like an excuse people use to justify questionable choices. I believe God makes the sun shine on the righteous as well as the lost. The existence of those people cannot prove God is not real. No offense intended.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

I disagree with the second sentence. Others' shortcomings shouldn't be used justify our own. I won't let the odd folks deter me from my salvation and belief in God and Jesus. It seems like an excuse people use to justify questionable choices. I believe God makes the sun shine on the righteous as well as the lost. The existence of those people cannot prove God is not real. No offense intended.

None taken. I just mean that I absolutely do not regret my atheism. People like that poster affirm for me that my lack of regret is completely cool. I have seen and heard Christians say and do things that have made me at least think, "Man, if it weren't for all the super-natural mumbo jumbo, I just might follow this dude. That's what Christianity is supposed to really be about" and I respect and admire those people. This poster was not one of those people.

 

[Brihaha]

None taken. I just mean that I absolutely do not regret my atheism. People like that poster affirm for me that my lack of regret is completely cool. I have seen and heard Christians say and do things that have made me at least think, "Man, if it weren't for all the super-natural mumbo jumbo, I just might follow this dude. That's what Christianity is supposed to really be about" and I respect and admire those people. This poster was not one of those people.

I shouldn't have used the word shortcomings in regard to your views though. That is an opinion and not the right word. Apologies for that.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

I shouldn't have used the word shortcomings in regard to your views though. That is an opinion and not the right word. Apologies for that.

No worries.

 

[SimplyMe]

Oh really? Do you have any idea how many churches have been shot up by registered Democrats? We carry guns to church in case of another mass shooting. We know that at any time a Democrat could practice democracy and shoot up a church. Its happening so much most of the church shootings are not published. The shooters are all atheist Democrats.

No, why don't you tell me? I'd especially love to see the support of how these were all done by registered Democrats vs. registered Republicans vs. people not registered to vote at all.

I recall a few threads here, about church burnings by a group of vandals in the South a few years ago. There was talks about how it was hate crimes and these must be atheist, Democrat, whatever else they wanted to use to demonize these individuals. Of course, that all ended when they were arrested and, from what I recall, they were Christian youth that were attending a Christian College. In fact, looking back, it seems that young religious (or at least recently religious) have done much of the burning and shooting up, not Democrats. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there aren't Democrats that have done it, but it seems to be often done by stupid kids wanting to prank friends or some other stupid reason -- and nothing to do with politics or hate of religion.

 

[Ragdoll]

No, why don't you tell me? I'd especially love to see the support of how these were all done by registered Democrats vs. registered Republicans vs. people not registered to vote at all.

I recall a few threads here, about church burnings by a group of vandals in the South a few years ago. There was talks about how it was hate crimes and these must be atheist, Democrat, whatever else they wanted to use to demonize these individuals. Of course, that all ended when they were arrested and, from what I recall, they were Christian youth that were attending a Christian College. In fact, looking back, it seems that young religious (or at least recently religious) have done much of the burning and shooting up, not Democrats. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there aren't Democrats that have done it, but it seems to be often done by stupid kids wanting to prank friends or some other stupid reason -- and nothing to do with politics or hate of religion.

Fortunately when these documented mass churchb shooting so happen, we are able to get into the social media profiles of the shooters to find out the shooters interests. In each and every single case where the shooter is documented, that shooter is a Democrat leftist. It no prank either. They are actually going into churches and shooting all the people because they are Christians. Even here in Wisconsin we'd had more then one church shooting and Wisconsin is a state that lives in peace compared to our neighboring states. But we go get action here. This is why our conservative churches allow concealed carry. I always go to church with a gun for protection.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Fortunately when these documented mass churchb shooting so happen, we are able to get into the social media profiles of the shooters to find out the shooters interests. In each and every single case where the shooter is documented, that shooter is a Democrat leftist. It no prank either. They are actually going into churches and shooting all the people because they are Christians. Even here in Wisconsin we'd had more then one church shooting and Wisconsin is a state that lives in peace compared to our neighboring states.

Perhaps it isn't getting out to the rest of the nation, but I only remember the shooting at the Sikh temple in Oak Creek. What other shootings have occurred at places of worship in Wisconsin?

But we go get action here. This is why our conservative churches allow concealed carry. I always go to church with a gun for protection.

I'm glad I stopped going to church then.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

Perhaps it isn't getting out to the rest of the nation, but I only remember the shooting at the Sikh temple in Oak Creek. What other shootings have occurred at places of worship in Wisconsin?


I'm glad I stopped going to church then.

This is the only one I could find:

March 12, 2005: Seven people were killed and four wounded when Terry Michael Ratzmann opened fire at a Living Church of God service at the Sheraton hotel in Brookfield. Ratzmann, a 44-year-old computer technician, then committed suicide.

No party affiliation anywhere, but probably not an atheist since it was a church he had been attending for a couple of years. Didn't like something in the sermon apparently and decided to shoot people.

I guess we'll just have to hold our breath until ragdoll posts these amply documented and frighteningly frequent atheist democrat church shootings.