Trump abandons idea of gun reforms

[essentialsaltes]

President Trump has abandoned the idea of releasing proposals to combat gun violence that his White House debated for months following mass shootings in August, according to White House officials and lawmakers, a reversal from the summer when the president insisted he would offer policies to curb firearm deaths.

 

[Rev Life]

President Trump has abandoned the idea of releasing proposals to combat gun violence that his White House debated for months following mass shootings in August, according to White House officials and lawmakers, a reversal from the summer when the president insisted he would offer policies to curb firearm deaths.

Making guns illegal won’t reduce gun violence. It will disarm law-abiding citizens, and criminals who want guns will obtain them illegally. For this reason, gun control will actually lead to more gun-related violence, since good people won’t be able to defend themselves from illegally armed criminals.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

President Trump has abandoned the idea of releasing proposals to combat gun violence that his White House debated for months following mass shootings in August, according to White House officials and lawmakers, a reversal from the summer when the president insisted he would offer policies to curb firearm deaths.

He is hangry.

 

[Silmarien]

Making guns illegal won’t reduce gun violence. It will disarm law-abiding citizens, and criminals who want guns will obtain them illegally. For this reason, gun control will actually lead to more gun-related violence, since good people won’t be able to defend themselves from illegally armed criminals.

I didn't see any mention of a complete ban on guns in the article (though I was admittedly skimming it). Some of us support reasonable gun rights but favor an assault rifle ban, so it's not really an all or nothing sort of deal.

 

[cow451]

Comrades! Wonderful day! The National Russia Association prevails over evil Liberal ones

 

[The_Barmecide]

President Trump has abandoned the idea of releasing proposals to combat gun violence that his White House debated for months following mass shootings in August, according to White House officials and lawmakers, a reversal from the summer when the president insisted he would offer policies to curb firearm deaths.

I thought maybe Wayne LaPierre's power was waning. But probably just wishful thinking.

 

[The_Barmecide]

Making guns illegal won’t reduce gun violence.

No one is saying that...but it probably would reduce gun violence just a little. Maybe let a couple kids survive to adulthood who would otherwise have been gunned down for going to school.

It will disarm law-abiding citizens, and criminals who want guns will obtain them illegally.

That's why so many Americans have access to nuclear weapons individually!

For this reason, gun control will actually lead to more gun-related violence, since good people won’t be able to defend themselves from illegally armed criminals.

How would you know? We've never tried it. I mean at this rate we had the most guns and the most mass shootings...so apparently THAT'S not working...

 

[Rev Life]

No one is saying that...but it probably would reduce gun violence just a little. Maybe let a couple kids survive to adulthood who would otherwise have been gunned down for going to school.

You make it sound like tens of thousands of school kids are being killed every year in school spree shootings. That isn't true.

How would you know? We've never tried it. I mean at this rate we had the most guns and the most mass shootings...so apparently THAT'S not working...

I know because I've seen it myself. Guns are illegal in Norway, but mass murderer Anders Breivik was easily able to obtain guns illegally. Had guns been legal in that country and one responsible gun owner been present at Utoya Island where the mass shooting took place, he could have shot Breivik in the head and prevented 69 people from being killed. Gun control means law-abiding people won't be able to defend themselves.

 

[Silmarien]

I know because I've seen it myself. Guns are illegal in Norway, but mass murderer Anders Breivik was easily able to obtain guns illegally. Had guns been legal in that country and one responsible gun owner been present at Utoya Island where the mass shooting took place, he could have shot Breivik in the head and prevented 69 people from being killed. Gun control means law-abiding people won't be able to defend themselves.

That is not necessarily true. I think you would need genuine military training to know how to react in a situation like that, since there's no reason to think that a panicking civilian would be cool headed enough to successfully put an end to an attempted mass shooting. What happens when a third gun owner suddenly sees two people waving guns around and assumes the second one is an accomplice? What happens when the police arrive on the scene and don't know who is who?

You'd need not only guns, but also mandatory military service if the aim is to have civilians who are able to respond in this sort of scenario.

 

[StromRider]

You make it sound like tens of thousands of school kids are being killed every year in school spree shootings. That isn't true.

He didn't say that at all. He said maybe a couple of kids could survive. Is that a bad thing? No one is expecting to stop all mass shootings. Yet gun fondlers seem to always say if something won't stop all killings why even try. Why not try something? Is the status quo good?

I know because I've seen it myself. Guns are illegal in Norway, but mass murderer Anders Breivik was easily able to obtain guns illegally. Had guns been legal in that country and one responsible gun owner been present at Utoya Island where the mass shooting took place, he could have shot Breivik in the head and prevented 69 people from being killed. Gun control means law-abiding people won't be able to defend themselves.

Just like how all the mass shootings in the US are stopped by good guys with guns? Oh right, they are not. Aside from cherry picking a few specific incidents, other first world countries have far less gun violence than the US. How can you not see that? How can you not understand the staggeringly easy access to guns in the US contributes to the amount of gun violence?

 

[StromRider]

That is not necessarily true. I think you would need genuine military training to know how to react in a situation like that, since there's no reason to think that a panicking civilian would be cool headed enough to successfully put an end to an attempted mass shooting. What happens when a third gun owner suddenly sees two people waving guns around and assumes the second one is an accomplice? What happens when the police arrive on the scene and don't know who is who?

Exactly. We've seen 'well trained' cops fire and miss or hit the wrong people. A scenario with mulitiple people deciding to return fire is a disaster in the making.

 

[Ana the Ist]

President Trump has abandoned the idea of releasing proposals to combat gun violence that his White House debated for months following mass shootings in August, according to White House officials and lawmakers, a reversal from the summer when the president insisted he would offer policies to curb firearm deaths.

I didn't know he was actually considering any reforms.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I didn't know he was actually considering any reforms.

Who knows if he was actually considering reforms... But on a couple occasions after high profile mass murders, he has said he was considering reforms.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Who knows if he was actually considering reforms... But on a couple occasions after high profile mass murders, he has said he was considering reforms.

That seems like the general political go-to on gun reform. They know we don't have any patience and short attention spans.

Just wait for everyone to move onto a fresh outrage.

 

[Gigimo]

Didn't he say a few months back that any gun reform would be tied to immigration reform and since some folks don't want immigration reform it died right there.

 

[FenderTL5]

I know because I've seen it myself. Guns are illegal in Norway, but mass murderer Anders Breivik was easily able to obtain guns illegally. Had guns been legal in that country and one responsible gun owner been present at Utoya Island where the mass shooting took place, he could have shot Breivik in the head and prevented 69 people from being killed. Gun control means law-abiding people won't be able to defend themselves.

It's a sad thing that guns are illegal in the USA, because if there'd been one good guy with a gun in the US, he could've stopped Columbine, Las Vegas, Va Tech, Marshall Co Ky, Sandy Hook, Parkland Fla... etc etc..

 

[The_Barmecide]

You make it sound like tens of thousands of school kids are being killed every year in school spree shootings. That isn't true.

So what is the lower "acceptable" limit? I mean, we all know that America is happy with the lower age limit being elementary school kids, we're more than happy to let them die. So how MANY is the acceptable limit?

I know because I've seen it myself. Guns are illegal in Norway, but mass murderer Anders Breivik was easily able to obtain guns illegally.

Ohmygosh! ONE NUT JOB in Norway ONCE offsets every single week of every single year wherein we average a mass shooting. And that doesnt' even count the gun crime in general.

And when I traveled to Norway I felt safer on average...even in the "bad part of Oslo"... than in most cities in the USA. I was certainly far less likely to be shot in Norway.

Had guns been legal in that country and one responsible gun owner been present at Utoya Island where the mass shooting took place, he could have shot Breivik in the head and prevented 69 people from being killed. Gun control means law-abiding people won't be able to defend themselves.

LOL! How many "good guys with guns" shot down the bad guy in the WalMart shooting...you know, the open carry state of TEXAS where so many manly men carry guns.

Pew! Pew! Good guys with guns there to save the day! Pew! Pew! More like John Wayne Cosplaying for Adults.

 

[The_Barmecide]

Who knows if he was actually considering reforms... But on a couple occasions after high profile mass murders, he has said he was considering reforms.

I noted that you misspelled "lied" in the sentence. You spelled it "s-a-i-d".

 

[SarahsKnight]

You make it sound like tens of thousands of school kids are being killed every year in school spree shootings. That isn't true.

It shouldn't even be tens of children killed in their schools every year.

 

[SarahsKnight]

Pew! Pew! Good guys with guns there to save the day! Pew! Pew! More like John Wayne Cosplaying for Adults.

That's seriously what the half of them seem to act like. Like it's all some big action movie and they're the unkillable hero.