"To Be in Heaven, You Must be Catholic"

[SayaOtonashi]

being catholic was a different thing in the bible. Beside has long has you love and believe in God. Accepted Jesus has your savior. Your saved. There no such thing has begin saved has this or that for example there is no pope in the bible and celbracy is unbibcial if force. Paul said it him said for there who are not married but if u can't control yourself than it's best to marry

 

[Root of Jesse]

Well, God will be our judge, my advice is to read only the NT and not RC doctrine, but its your life, do what you wish.

Where does the Bible tell you to read only the NT?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Prayer is worship.
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Obviously the spelling of "prayer" and "worship" are different. They are not the same word. They do not have the same meaning.

What, pray tell, do you think "prayer" means?

If I ask you a question, am I worshipping you?

Obviously not.

 

[Isatis]

What does the English word "pray" mean? We use it in a legal sense to formally ask for something. So 'pray' means to request. IT doesn't mean 'worship'.

Does the Lord's prayer include worship?

 

[SayaOtonashi]

Aslo to many of calthloics pray to saints. The bible states we pray to God not saint. Your prayes must only be to God not Mary or Saints

 

[1Co13]

To quote a member of this board...That's false. Use your on-line dictionary.

We can worship money, people, statues, or even creation, but its all sin.

 

[1Co13]

Where does the Bible tell you to read only the NT?

Where in the bible does it teach this Mary prayer?

 

[1Co13]

Obviously the spelling of "prayer" and "worship" are different. They are not the same word. They do not have the same meaning.

What, pray tell, do you think "prayer" means?

If I ask you a question, am I worshipping you?

Obviously not.

The words "worship", "sing" and "praise" are not the same word, yet singing and praising are worship.

And praying is worship too.

 

[Root of Jesse]

being catholic was a different thing in the bible. Beside has long has you love and believe in God. Accepted Jesus has your savior. Your saved. There no such thing has begin saved has this or that for example there is no pope in the bible and celbracy is unbibcial if force. Paul said it him said for there who are not married but if u can't control yourself than it's best to marry

What was Jesus' wife's name? Does Satan believe that God is God?

Matt 16:18 = pope, even if the word isn't used. They spoke Aramaic in the Bible, and Pope is Latin. The Church doesn't force celibacy on anyone.

 

[Serpentslayer]

They worship Mary and count her as aco-redeemer.

The fact that they call her Lourdes queen of heaven and have statues planted everywhere and kneel down before her statue and do make intercession with the her, is proof positive of worship unless we want to lie about it and say it is not.

God forbid in the past to make intercession with any spirit of the departed and since Mary is a created being redeemed by Christ as his servant, we are not to make intercession with the departed.

Intercession must only be with God the Holy Spirit, Christ's Holy Spirit.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Does the Lord's prayer include worship?

The Lord's prayer includes praises to God, a request for forgiveness, a request for daily sustenance, and a request for preservation from evil.

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Our Father, who is in heaven:
May your name be kept holy.
May your kingdom come.
May your will be done, as in heaven, so also on earth.
Give us this day our life-sustaining bread.
And forgive us our debts, as we also forgive our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation.
But free us from evil.
Amen.
(Matthew 6:9-13)
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Elements of the Lord's prayer are also elements one expects to find in worship.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The words "worship", "sing" and "praise" are not the same word, yet singing and praising are worship.

And praying is worship too.

Well no, listen to the pop songs on the radio and you'll see that few of them are addressed to God in worship. And one can praise a king without worshipping God. So you're making numerous erroneous statements in the above post. Had you written "song and praise are often used in worshipping God" you'd be right but to assert that singing and praise are worship is just wrong.

 

[1Co13]

What was Jesus' wife's name? Does Satan believe that God is God?

Matt 16:18 = pope, even if the word isn't used. They spoke Aramaic in the Bible, and Pope is Latin. The Church doesn't force celibacy on anyone.

The apostles never ordained priests, that is an RC invention. So priests are unnecessary.

 

[PaladinValer]

Thats false.

No; he's right.

Please pull out a dictionary.

 

[Erose]

Well, God will be our judge, my advice is to read only the NT and not RC doctrine, but its your life, do what you wish.

Reading the NT IS reading the RC doctrine.

Let me ask you one little, and hopefully this false understanding can be shattered a little bit.

If someone in anger for, let's say, loosing a loved one, and in his/her anger looks up to heaven, shakes his fist, and curses at God for taking his/her loved one. Is this prayer? And if so is it worship?

 

[Erose]

Where in the bible does it teach this Mary prayer?

Which prayer to Mary?

 

[Erose]

The words "worship", "sing" and "praise" are not the same word, yet singing and praising are worship.

And praying is worship too.

Is all singing and praising worship?

 

[Root of Jesse]

They worship Mary and count her as aco-redeemer.

The fact that they call her Lourdes queen of heaven and have statues planted everywhere and kneel down before her statue and do make intercession with the her, is proof positive of worship unless we want to lie about it and say it is not.

God forbid in the past to make intercession with any spirit of the departed and since Mary is a created being redeemed by Christ as his servant, we are not to make intercession with the departed.

Intercession must only be with God the Holy Spirit, Christ's Holy Spirit.

Who is "they"?

God forbade necromancy, but praying isn't the same thing. Mary's not a spirit, she's bodily in heaven. Anywhere in the Bible shows that Mary died?

Where does it say in the Bible that I can't ask someone to pray for me?

 

[Erose]

The apostles never ordained priests, that is an RC invention. So priests are unnecessary.

Who were St. Paul, St. Barnabas, St. Timothy, St. Titus, etc., etc., etc.

It should be pointed out that priest is the English word for presbyter.

 

[Root of Jesse]

The apostles never ordained priests, that is an RC invention. So priests are unnecessary.

The Church was small.

Saying that priests are unnecessary because the apostles never ordained priests is like saying an oak tree's leaves are not necessary, because an acorn is an oak tree.

I mean, what is a bishop but an ordained clergy, like an Army officer, in charge of many. Seargeants assist the officer by taking groups of various sizes. An archbishop is just a bishop with a larger responsibility. And the Pope has the most responsibility of all of them.