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Those who observe OT law are under a CURSE

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by denim, Nov 4, 2012.

  1. denim

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    All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Gal 3:10

    Essentially what it means is God's standard and quality control is 100% perfection. Even if there is a 0.0000001% blemish, it just won't cut it. That is why the Lamb Without Blemish had to die for us.

    "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree" Gal 3:13

    "For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is GUILTY OF ALL. " James 2:10

    For those who like to pick and choose OT laws like observing Sabbath, giving tithes and circumcision and yet unable to fulfil the rest of the 600 plus law (which they probably cannot even if they try) - The bible says these people are under a curse.

    Under the New Covenant, there is no more tithe (replaced by giving without compulsion), circumcision nor unclean food nor Sabbath nor ceremonial cleansing etc. Everything is no longer physical. They are in the heart - circumcision in the heart , law written on our hearts, giving as purposed in our hearts etc.

    [FONT=Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]"For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God." Romans 2:28-29[/FONT]

    Gal 2:11-13 records an incident at Antioch where apostle Paul opposed and reprimanded Peter and Barnabas for withdrawing from associating with Christians Gentiles due to fear of Christian Jews. Peter and Barnabas had tried to disassociate themselves from the uncircumcised Gentiles, in accordance with OT Law.

    The OT Law was a precursor, temporary guardian (or tutor) till the coming of Christ. When Jesus came to fulfil the law, the OT law was rendered nullified. We were no longer saved by the Law but we were saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

    "Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor." Gal 3:24-25

    "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God" (Eph 2:8)

    Christians should never attempt to selectively observe OT Law and put themselves back in bondage under the Law of Sin and Death negating the good work of Jesus.

    "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death" Rom 8:2

    The bible tells us to be " Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage." Gal 5:1

    We should never resubmit ourselves back to the bondage of the Law of Sin and Death when Christ has already set us free.

    How then shall we live our lives without rules, regulations and law?

    Our law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is written in our hearts (Heb 10:16) and the Holy Spirit shall guide us.

    "But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come." John 16:13
     
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  2. Steve Petersen

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    Rely on it for what?
     
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    The law of sin and death is distinct from the Law of God.
     
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    Did you join CF just so you could spew this antinomian drivel?

    Antinomianism is considered heresy in most of the Christian world.
     
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    There is only one set of Law in OT. There are no "other laws"

    If u consider what the bible clearly states a heresy, you are in deep trouble. So far u have given no supporting bible verses on what i posted is untrue.
     
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    The Bible states a lot of things. We have to interpret it. The Bible says this too:

    and this:

    Now typically this type of discussion devolves into prooftexting without reference to cultural and historical consideration of the texts. Is that the way you want to play this game?
     
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    The law is a precusor to Christ and it was nullify when Jesus died on the cross. Sorry to burst your bubble but there is no more law after Christ came.
    Christ is the end of the Law.

    "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth" Rom 10:4

    Jesus came to fulfill what the law has been preparing for all along - the Messiah die on the cross for the world

    We now no longer follow the written Law of Sin and Death but we now follow the Law of the Life in Christ Jesus in our hearts
     
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    So when Peter says this, is faith ended?



    The word 'end,' in both cases, in the Greek is 'telos' and it is the root word for goal, or purpose. Ever heard of teleology? the study of goals and purposes.

    So if the Law is ended, so is your faith, by your reading.
     
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    My faith is in Jesus Christ . Unlike you , my faith is not in the law. Notice i only quote the NT, not the OT
     
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    You and Marcion (the heretic) minus Matthew, James and any other books that sounded too Jewish or legal.
     
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    This was not Torah Law but the Laws of the Rabbis.
    God said His Law was easy to keep...Deuteronomy 30:11
     
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    Seems you are unable to prove wrong the bible verses i posted. Calling names won't help your conscience. I believe God has pricked your heart and you should go pray and do some bible research on the validity of what i posted with scriptural support.
     
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    Now the usual antinomian suspects will show up and pat each other on the back for out of context prooftexts.
     
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    I responed to your post on 'the end of the law.' Did you bother to read it?
     
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    The law in the bible always refrr to the OT law. Law of the Rabbis - first time i ever heard this refer as The Law. Haha
     
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    Do you really read the NT? Paul himself says there is another law!

     
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    Unless my eyes fail me, i don't see any "Law of the Rabbis" here. According to your logic, one could even claim that Paul was talking about Roman Law or even Law of Physics !
     
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    You cannot dismis this verse about OT law. God will not ask us to fully observe the "Law of the Rabbis" as you so claimed. Why would God want to curse you for failing to fully observe others' law?
     
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    I didn't say anything about the law of the rabbis. YOU said that the NT ALWAYS means GOD'S LAW when the word 'law' is found in the NT.

    Admit you were wrong.
     
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    Perhaps i should clarify here. What i was trying to say is THE LAW is always the OT law when Paul talks about salvation and Christ.
    And this is not the real issue here. The real issue is that one would put himself under a curse if he tries to observe OT laws
     
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