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Alright, so, I am used to reading book after book after book. I have now been a Christian for a couple months. I have made many changes, including my selection of books and movies. Both categories are my favorite things to do (I have a lot under my belt)

Of course, I have been committed to read only those books and watch only those movies that do not feed or portray any sin. I'm starting to see that I am left with very few options. Oh, alas, I am hoping someone can help me here.

I get the same answers when it comes to books: C.S. Lewis & J.R.R. Tolken. Can someone throw something other than these well known, two great authors? I am not big on "mush". I thirst for knowledge with regard to History of Christianity; ones own perception of Religion, movement, etc. I also enjoy novels from time-to-time.

If anyone can give me some credible books, I would love to receive them. Also, I wouldn't mind participating in a book club of sorts.

**Please do not mention the Bible. I know this. It is the most obvious. I will read the Bible daily until I leave this earth**

Longing for words....

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Alright, so, I am used to reading book after book after book. I have now been a Christian for a couple months. I have made many changes, including my selection of books and movies. Both categories are my favorite things to do (I have a lot under my belt)

Of course, I have been committed to read only those books and watch only those movies that do not feed or portray any sin. I'm starting to see that I am left with very few options. Oh, alas, I am hoping someone can help me here.

I get the same answers when it comes to books: C.S. Lewis & J.R.R. Tolken. Can someone throw something other than these well known, two great authors? I am not big on "mush". I thirst for knowledge with regard to History of Christianity; ones own perception of Religion, movement, etc. I also enjoy novels from time-to-time.

If anyone can give me some credible books, I would love to receive them. Also, I wouldn't mind participating in a book club of sorts.

**Please do not mention the Bible. I know this. It is the most obvious. I will read the Bible daily until I leave this earth**

Longing for words....

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Sorry all I can do is remove 2 authors from your list. The works of Lewis and Tolkien portray sin, in fact sin is the point of many of the Works of Lewis.

If you want heavy reading there is the Institutes by John Calvin. For History there is Bonhoeffer by Eberhard Bethge. For that matter most of the works of Dietrich Bonhoeffer might be worth a read. A point on Bethge, he was both a student of Dietrich and eventually married the daughter of Dietrich's older sister. He was involved at least a little in many of the things he writes about. Parts of his book are disturbing in at least 2 ways. First of course is that the things he describes are not nice. The second is if one compares his work to much of the popular literature it is easy to see how popular works are in fact fiction.
 
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Thanks, Keith99.

I looked up "Dietrich Bonhoeffer", but I didn't get a synopsis. When I say history, I suppose I am looking for the History of Christianity, the couple hundered years since the death of our Lord. However, John Calvin looks a bit interesting. I think I might get this one!
 
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Thanks, Keith99.

I looked up "Dietrich Bonhoeffer", but I didn't get a synopsis. When I say history, I suppose I am looking for the History of Christianity, the couple hundered years since the death of our Lord. However, John Calvin looks a bit interesting. I think I might get this one!

Bonhoeffer was the second most famous Christian of Nazi Germany. Martin Neimoller (sp) beats him out on one quote ... First they came for the Communists and I did not speak up.... When they came for me no one was left ot speak up. Ironic as in some ways the quote is a lie, he did spaek up. Back to Bonhoeffer. He is big in some parts of the evangelical church. His theology is more fellowship and action centered. But a very spiritual man. What were likely his last words to any friendly person were "This is the end, for me the beginning, of life" I believe spoken to and recorded by Best as Deitrich was taken to his execution.

You might want to check Lewis for older writers. Boetheius (The Consolation of Philosophy ) comes to mind. And John Bunnion. I know Lewis thought well of a few more also, I just can not remember which.

BTW with ancient writers I would suggest reading a few lines before buying any book. I have both 'The Institutes' and 'The Golden Booklet of the True Christian Life' both by Calvin. The later is just a part of The Institutes. But the versions I have seem totally different, the translation of The Institutes was a very dry one. The other much more poetic and readable (but still accurate).
 
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†. 1Cor 5:9-10 . . I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

†. Col 2:20-23 . . You have died with Christ, and he has set you free from the evil powers of this world. So why do you keep on following rules of the world, such as: "Don't handle, don't eat, don't touch." Such rules are mere human teaching about things that are gone as soon as we use them. These rules may seem wise because they require strong devotion, humility, and severe bodily discipline. But they have no effect when it comes to conquering a person's evil thoughts and desires.

I think one of the behaviors that Christians need to avoid at all costs is asceticism: which Webster's defines as practicing strict self-denial as a measure of personal and/or spiritual discipline; viz: touch not, taste not, visit not, watch not, look not, hear not, be not, wear not etc, etc, etc. Not only will asceticism turn you into a weird person, but it will also make you a cultural moron— somebody who cannot relate to their everyday contacts on any meaningful level.

I once knew a church member who felt guilty just by crossing the threshold of a BlockBuster Video store. I'm not kidding. He was so wracked with guilt over anything that looked "worldly" that he couldn't even let his teen-age son play rock music in the house. The poor kid had to go outside in the backyard; even in bad weather, and we get plenty of that up here in Oregon.

I've also known Christian girls who didn't wear make-up because they truly believed it was sinful. They would have seriously benefited from a shopping spree at Sephora— believe me; it would have been an improvement!

There was a time in my early Christian experience when I didn't own a television, didn't go to the movies, didn't look at girls, didn't listen to modern music, wouldn't wear a tee shirt in public, didn't go to the beach, didn't read novels like Harry Potter and Twilight, etc, etc, etc. Denying myself those simple worldly pleasures didn't make me holy, no, it made me judgmental and it made me no fun to be with because I became a stuffed shirt and a cultural moron.

When the first Jurassic Park movie came out, the ascetic Christians in my Sunday school class so soundly excoriated the movie that I was ashamed to wear my Jurassic souvenir tee shirt in public lest one of them should see me and give me lecture. Imagine that. Just a dumb 'ol dinosaur shirt. That movie meant nothing to me but entertainment; but to them, it represented The Devil. (T-Rex sure kicked those Raptors' butts didn't he!? He was the hero of the day!)

I once heard it said that romance novels are to women what pin-ups are to men. That's because in matters of the heart; men are visually oriented and women are emotionally oriented. Every woman instinctively knows that in matters of attraction, men think better with their eyes than they do with their heads.

If you're a normal, red-blooded girl, then I highly recommend novels by Debbie Macomber; my wife's favorites. They're a little steamy in places, but a nice steamy, if you know what I mean. Debbie doesn't write trash. Her novels are stories that portray the kind of relationships you'd probably find acceptable in real life: just normal boy/girl romance and man/wife affection; not inappropriate content. I suppose to an ascetic person any display of affection is inappropriate content, but to those of us who view boy/girl affections as the normal round of life, Debbie Macomber is not offensive at all.

†. Gen 26:7-9 . . And the men of the place asked him of his wife; and he said: She is my sister; for he feared to say, she is my wife; lest, said he, the men of the place should kill me for Rebekah; because she was fair to look upon.

(In my opinion, Becky was way past the "fair" mark and well up into the "hot" category)

. . And it came to pass, when he had been there a long time, that Abimelech king of the Philistines looked out at a window, and saw, and, behold, Isaac was sporting with Rebekah his wife. And Abimelech called Isaac, and said: Behold, of a surety she is thy wife: and how saidst thou, She is my sister?

What kind of "sporting" were Isaac and Rebekah doing? Well, it was certainly not the kind of sporting that men do with their sisters. Isaac was caressing Rebekah in places that only lovers do. Was that bad? No, that was normal. If you stick to books and movies that portray normal stuff like that, I think you'll be okay; and you'll also retain your membership in the human race too.

†. Song 1:13 . . A bundle of myrrh is my well-beloved unto me; he shall lie all night betwixt my breasts.

†. Song 4:5-6 . . Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins, which feed among the lilies. Until the day break, and the shadows flee away, I will get me to the mountain of myrrh, and to the hill of frankincense.

†. Song 7:3 . . Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins.

†. Song 7:7-8 . . This thy stature is like to a palm tree, and thy breasts to clusters of grapes. I said, I will go up to the palm tree, I will take hold of the boughs thereof: now also thy breasts shall be as clusters of the vine, and the smell to thy nose like apples

Those four excerpts are from the Song Of Solomon, located in the Holy Bible right after the book of Ecclesiastes.

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†. 1Cor 5:9-10 . . I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

†. Col 2:20-23 . . You have died with Christ, and he has set you free from the evil powers of this world. So why do you keep on following rules of the world, such as: "Don't handle, don't eat, don't touch." Such rules are mere human teaching about things that are gone as soon as we use them. These rules may seem wise because they require strong devotion, humility, and severe bodily discipline. But they have no effect when it comes to conquering a person's evil thoughts and desires.

I think one of the behaviors that Christians need to avoid at all costs is asceticism: which Webster's defines as practicing strict self-denial as a measure of personal and/or spiritual discipline; viz: touch not, taste not, visit not, watch not, look not, hear not, be not, wear not etc, etc, etc. Not only will asceticism turn you into a weird person, but it will also make you a cultural moron— somebody who cannot relate to their everyday contacts on any meaningful level.

I once knew a church member who felt guilty just by crossing the threshold of a BlockBuster Video store. I'm not kidding. He was so wracked with guilt over anything that looked "worldly" that he couldn't even let his teen-age son play rock music in the house. The poor kid had to go outside in the backyard; even in bad weather, and we get plenty of that up here in Oregon.

I've also known Christian girls who didn't wear make-up because they truly believed it was sinful. They would have seriously benefited from a shopping spree at Sephora— believe me; it would have been an improvement!

There was a time in my early Christian experience when I didn't own a television, didn't go to the movies, didn't look at girls, didn't listen to modern music, wouldn't wear a tee shirt in public, didn't go to the beach, didn't read novels like Harry Potter and Twilight, etc, etc, etc. Denying myself those simple worldly pleasures didn't make me holy, no, it made me judgmental and it made me no fun to be with because I became a stuffed shirt and a cultural moron.

When the first Jurassic Park movie came out, the ascetic Christians in my Sunday school class so soundly excoriated the movie that I was ashamed to wear my Jurassic souvenir tee shirt in public lest one of them should see me and give me lecture. Imagine that. Just a dumb 'ol dinosaur shirt. That movie meant nothing to me but entertainment; but to them, it represented The Devil. (T-Rex sure kicked those Raptors' butts didn't he!? He was the hero of the day!)

I once heard it said that romance novels are to women what pin-ups are to men. That's because in matters of the heart; men are visually oriented and women are emotionally oriented. Every woman instinctively knows that in matters of attraction, men think better with their eyes than they do with their heads.

If you're a normal, red-blooded girl, then I highly recommend novels by Debbie Macomber; my wife's favorites. They're a little steamy in places, but a nice steamy, if you know what I mean. Debbie doesn't write trash. Her novels are stories that portray the kind of relationships you'd probably find acceptable in real life: just normal boy/girl romance and man/wife affection; not inappropriate content. I suppose to an ascetic person any display of affection is inappropriate content, but to those of us who view boy/girl affections as the normal round of life, Debbie Macomber is not offensive at all.

†. Gen 26:7-9 . . And the men of the place asked him of his wife; and he said: She is my sister; for he feared to say, she is my wife; lest, said he, the men of the place should kill me for Rebekah; because she was fair to look upon.

(In my opinion, Becky was way past the "fair" mark and well up into the "hot" category)

. . And it came to pass, when he had been there a long time, that Abimelech king of the Philistines looked out at a window, and saw, and, behold, Isaac was sporting with Rebekah his wife. And Abimelech called Isaac, and said: Behold, of a surety she is thy wife: and how saidst thou, She is my sister?

What kind of "sporting" were Isaac and Rebekah doing? Well, it was certainly not the kind of sporting that men do with their sisters. Isaac was caressing Rebekah in places that only lovers do. Was that bad? No, that was normal. If you stick to books and movies that portray normal stuff like that, I think you'll be okay; and you'll also retain your membership in the human race too.

†. Song 1:13 . . A bundle of myrrh is my well-beloved unto me; he shall lie all night betwixt my breasts.

†. Song 4:5-6 . . Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins, which feed among the lilies. Until the day break, and the shadows flee away, I will get me to the mountain of myrrh, and to the hill of frankincense.

†. Song 7:3 . . Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins.

†. Song 7:7-8 . . This thy stature is like to a palm tree, and thy breasts to clusters of grapes. I said, I will go up to the palm tree, I will take hold of the boughs thereof: now also thy breasts shall be as clusters of the vine, and the smell to thy nose like apples

Those four excerpts are from the Song Of Solomon, located in the Holy Bible right after the book of Ecclesiastes.

C.L.I.F.F.
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Nice stuff Webers!

Although, I do believe that if God is leading you to lay a certain type of book or activity down, it's best to follow.

As for what kinds of books to read. I read pretty much all war history books for my recreational reading. I'm a nerd. :p
 
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RE: I do believe that if God is leading you to lay a certain type of book or activity down, it's best to follow.

I've been a Christian since 1968 and in all that time God has yet to give me a red phone with a direct line to Heaven; so I have but two guides to God's leading: 1) the Bible, and 2) my comfort zone.

The 14th chapter of Romans talks about comfort zones; viz: debatable matters, which are matters not specifically spelled out in the Bible. We all know adultery is wrong because the Bible says it is. But it's debatable whether video games and fast foods are wrong. Let your comfort zone be your guide.

If you're comfortable watching R-rated HBO programs like Sopranos and True Blood, more power to you. If you're not comfortable watching R-rated HBO programs like Sopranos and True Blood, more power to you. Whether we watch them or don't watch them makes no difference in our relationship with God. And whether or not you blow a few bucks of your expendable income on the slots at an Indian casino makes no difference either. These are issues that each must decide for themselves; but God help the bully Christian who insists that their comfort zone be the standard for everybody else. That's bigotry, and it's clearly a sin because it usurps The Lord's right to be the one who make the rules for His own people.

My advice to any, and all Christians (from one whose been both ascetic and free-wheeling) is to enjoy life to the best of your ability within the limits of your own personal comfort zone. And for God's sake don't load yourself down with so many layers of guilt that you suck all the pleasure out of life and become a bore. We have a grumpy Christian neighbor who is so strict and ascetic that my son labeled him the enemy of all joy. That is not a good testimony— to be the enemy of all joy looks really bad to the non Christian world when joy is one of the fruits of The Spirit.

Look, I don't want to encourage anybody to step outside their comfort zone and do something they sincerely feel is wrong. But I just want to say that there are plenty of non Christian books and magazines at Borders and Barnes & Nobel that will enrich your life with entertaining stories and articles. Yes, many of those books and magazines are secular; but then so is the daily newspaper, Good Morning America, The View, 60 minutes, Oprah, Regis and Kelly, and Grey's Anatomy. (I didn't like it when they left us hanging with Izzie's bout with cancer. Are she and George dead or what? That last minute elevator scene didn't really resolve it for me.) BTW: I really liked McDreamy's performances in Enchanted and Made Of Honor.

If we cull out all the secular stuff, we'll be left with very little that makes for a well-rounded individual, able to communicate with, and relate to, a wide variety of people. Our circle of influence will be teensy and exclusive.

(How many of you out there sat up and paid attention when I mentioned McDreamy? See what I mean? Thanks to Patrick Dempsey, my circle of influence is much wider than it would be without him.

No, I don't watch Desperate Housewives— not because it's un Christian but simply because it doesn't appeal to me; but I do watch Dancing With The Stars whenever my wife has it on. Who're my faves? Cheryl Burke & Gilles Marini. They are so HOT together!)

Years ago in the 1970's, I attended a Billy Graham crusade in San Diego. I was particularly impressed by Mr. Graham's familiarity with things that interest common, every-day people. That familiarity enabled him to communicate with the crowd on their own level rather than the level of an intellectual. Mr. Graham was abreast with American culture, and it made him a very effective speaker. Ascetic Christians are typically out of touch with main-stream America; and they aren't much fun either.

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I'm a big reader too. Here are some of my favorites--

-The Case for Faith and The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel.
-Beyond Opinion and Who Made God? by Ravi Zacharius (all of his books I just enjoyed so much!)
-Having a Mary Heart in a Martha World and Having a Mary Spirit by Joanna Weaver. These books rocked my world.:thumbsup:
-Whats so Great About Christianity by Dinesh D'Souza.

I just finished Just Walk Across the Room by Bill Hybels, loved it. I also just read Searching For God In America by Hewitt, it's textbook like but a good read, especially if you are patriotic like me.

I can give you more, OH!! Anything by Max Lucado.

Hope that helps!
 
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I'm a big reader too. Here are some of my favorites--

-The Case for Faith and The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel.
-Beyond Opinion and Who Made God? by Ravi Zacharius (all of his books I just enjoyed so much!)
-Having a Mary Heart in a Martha World and Having a Mary Spirit by Joanna Weaver. These books rocked my world.:thumbsup:
-Whats so Great About Christianity by Dinesh D'Souza.

I just finished Just Walk Across the Room by Bill Hybels, loved it. I also just read Searching For God In America by Hewitt, it's textbook like but a good read, especially if you are patriotic like me.

I can give you more, OH!! Anything by Max Lucado.

Hope that helps!

I love this passion!

I am really interested in reading about the later days after our Lord died on the cross; Constantine, The Fall of the Roman Empire, Philosophy vs. Religion, reading with substance.

Right now I am reading some Ted Dekker novels. It's alright for a quick read but missing that true feeling of actually gaining something from it.

Thanks to all who have contributed to this thread!
 
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Erwin McManus and Shane Claiborne both have several books out that talk about chruch history, perceptions, movements, etc.

However, they're not specifically christian history books. They concentrate more on the perceptions and church history closer to the time of Christ and how different we are from those times.

More specifically, how we can return to the passion, actions, and beliefs that Christians had at that time.
 
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Erwin McManus and Shane Claiborne both have several books out that talk about chruch history, perceptions, movements, etc.

However, they're not specifically christian history books. They concentrate more on the perceptions and church history closer to the time of Christ and how different we are from those times.

More specifically, how we can return to the passion, actions, and beliefs that Christians had at that time.

Shane Claiborne seems to receive some good reviews. Thank you for your contribution.
 
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There's sin protrayed in the Bible. If you mean books that don't encourage, glamourise or be flippent about sin then theres hundreds of books out there, from To kill a Mockingbird to War and peace.

In the Christian genre:

The everlasting man by G. K. Chesterton
Orthodoxy by G. K. Chesterton
George MacDonald

What C. S. Lewis books have you read? Have you read The Problem of Pain, Mere Christianity, or Miracles.
 
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Have you ever read the "Wheel of Time" series? They are basically long winded Tolkien ripoffs, but I found the ones I have read enjoyable. They are by the late Robert Jordan.

I tend to have the same problem as the OP. I personally refuse to read any books with graphic sex or foul language. Personally that stuff is no longer for me. I mean, I will read something that has an F-bomb here and there, but the word inappropriate content is a no go for me. Sadly it seems every author thinks they need it to sell something.
 
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I am really interested in reading about the later days after our Lord died on the cross; Constantine, The Fall of the Roman Empire, Philosophy vs. Religion, reading with substance.

Here are some of what I have found:

One great series I have on Christian history is Philip Schaff's History of the Christian Church in 8 volumes. (It's $99 at CBD right now, but I got mine on an even larger sale for about $40, I think. Maybe they will offer it that chepaly again sometime. Still...I think the cover price for the 8-volumes et is around $400, so even at $99, it's still a bargain.) Each volume is 850-1000 pages, but they aren't really large volumes. They are quite easily handled...I love the way they feel in my hands. Volume 1 covers apostolic times, about A.D. 1-100; Volume 2 covers the ante-Nicene period, about A.D. 100-325; Volume 3 covers the Nicene and post-Nicene period, about A.D. 311-590.

Philip Schaff also edited a huge set of writings of the early church fathers. There is also an electronic version of this early church fathers set on CD. I've got the electronic version and have them installed on my laptop. The big set can be purchased in smaller sections at a time.

Schaff's third major contribution to Christian history is his Creeds of Christendom in 3 volumes. From the product description:

This classic set is the definitive source on church creeds. Schaff introduces and critiques the creeds, including the personalities surrounding their framing and their impact on church history. Volume 1 traces the creeds' development through the 19th-century revivals. Volume 2 explores the original creed forms. Volume 3 includes the evangelical Protestant creeds with translations. 2547 pages total, three hardcovers from Baker.

An awesome and very usefull book is Early Christian Doctrine by J.N.D. Kelly. From the product description:

Early Christian Doctrine is a clear, precise and up-to-date account of the early history of Christian doctrine. It is invaluable for an understanding of the formative period when the main lines of Christian dogma were laid down; and it presents a balanced picture of the early controversies in the light of modern scholarship. The doctrines of the Trinity, the authority of the Bible and tradition, the nature of Christ, salvation, original sin and grace, and the sacraments are all extensively treated in these pages.

For more contemporary writers, here is my Basic Reformed Annotated Reading List:


Putting Amazing Back into Grace: Who Does What in Salvation? By Michael Horton; 1991; Baker Books: This is a good entry-level layman’s introduction to Reformed theology. Horton’s book is very ‘reader friendly’. Horton examines such basic Reformed positions as the 5-points of Calvinism, the effect of the fall upon man, and free will. Horton also explains the Reformed views of baptism and the Lord’s Supper. One drawback is that Horton does not really examine covenant theology in this book.


What is Reformed Theology? Understanding the Basics by RC Sproul; 1997; Baker Books: This book, as indicated by the title, covers the basics of Reformed theology. Sproul’s book is a little more technical than Horton’s book, in that Sproul sprinkles Latin theological terms throughout; however, he always explains them and includes a glossary of foreign terms at the back of the book. This is a solid book that sketches covenant theology and the 5-points of Calvinism.


The Doctrines of Grace: Rediscovering the Evangelical Gospel by James Montgomery Boice and Philip Graham Ryken; 2002; Crossway Books: A very reader friendly presentation of the 5-points of Calvinism. The opening chapter is titled ‘Why Evangelicalism Needs Calvinism’, and the final two chapters are titled ‘The True Calvinist’ and ‘Calvinism at Work’. I believe that Boice makes a compelling case for the relevance of Calvinism to modern Christianity. If someone were to choose one book on Reformed theology, this would be a good one.


Chosen by God by RC Sproul; 1986; Tyndale: This book deals specifically with the Reformed views of predestination, free will, and foreknowledge, and how they operate in our salvation. This was the book that convinced me that Reformed theology actually handles the scriptures more accurately than any other viewpoint I have encountered in Christianity.


Willing to Believe: The Controversy Over Free Will by RC Sproul; 1997; Baker Books: A detailed look at the views of free will over the centuries of Christianity. Sproul covers the views of Pelagius, Augustine, Semi-Pelagians, Martin Luther, John Calvin, James Arminius, Jonathan Edwards, Charles Finney, and Lewis Sperry Chafer. If you are a Christian, you will find your position on free will described in this book, and compared to all of the other views.

God of Promise: Introducing Covenant Theology by Michael Horton; 2006; Baker Books: This book is an excellent primer on covenant theology. What is covenant theology? It is an opposing view to the omnipresent dispensational view. Dispensationalism breaks human history down into seven different time periods in which God worked using different methods with different peoples, and is largely responsible for the prevalent end-times view of premillenial, pre-tribulation rapture. Covenant theology interprets scripture to say that God basically only works in two ways…the covenant of works and the covenant of grace.


Debating Calvinism: Five points, Two Views by Dave Hunt and James White; 2004; Multnomah Publishers: From the back cover: “Calvinism has been a topic of intense discussion for centuries. In this lively debate, two passionate thinkers take opposing sides, providing valuable responses to the most frequently asked questions about Calvinism.” Hunt actually verbalizes many of the objections raised by those reading the above books. It is useful to read White’s responses to those objections.

That should keep ya busy for a couple of days!! And it's all pretty meaty stuff!
 
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