Notice the words
"1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men."
So God is the Word and is God a personal being?, Also God is "with" the Word, which is God.
Then we read the words, "All things were made by him; and without him ". the key words there are "HIM". This shows personal qualitites of the Word.
this Word is God and is with God and is HIM and the Word which is HIM created all things. So who is the "HIM" in this section,
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into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom [in the Son] we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him [the Son] were all things created [as in John 1:1, the Word was God and the Word is "HIM"], that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him [the Son], and for him [the Son]:
17 And he [the Son]is before all things, and by him [by the Son] all things consist."(Colossians 1:14-16)
The Son is spoken of in all these verses, showing clearly His pre existance and that he is the creator.
and we read,
"2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" (Hebrews 1:2 KJV)
Yes God is a personal being. My word is me, but when the word goes out of my mouth, it is not a personal being. God's Word has the power to become whatever He thinks it to be. If your asking me to explain God's Word/Spirit/Power, what it is, or how it operates, your going to have to ask Him, cause I've never seen God. I know that His Word, His Spirit, His Power, His Wisdom is Him, yet He is able to share it/Him.
God the Father's word, which is His Spirit, and He is Spirit, by His power/Spirit/Word created Heaven and earth, all things. Are you saying as a Trinitarian God the son is the Spirit, and the Spirit is God the Son? I know your not, but that is what you would be pushing.
The He is God, His Spirit, His power, His Word (And much more. I've said this a few times now in this thread) as when the Spirit came upon Mary, Mary conceived, and the Word became flesh. The Son of God did not come upon Mary, and conceive himself. The Father (Who is Spirit) is both the Father and God of the son of God, Jesus, who is the Word in flesh, the image of God.
Hebrews 1:2 by whom [Jesus] also he [Father] made the worlds [G165 – aiōn - ages]; And when did this all happen? When he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.
And the
world [
world - G3625 – oikoumenē - a large community of inhabitants, (not kosmos, or aiōn, nor gē)]he is talking about in verse 6, is as he says, “For He has not put the
world [
world - G3625 – oikoumenē]
to come,
of which we speak, in subjection to angels Hebrew 2:5.”
Yet, when he does talk about Jesus coming into this world [G2889 – kosmos], in Hebrews 10, this is the word he uses.
Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world [G2889 – kosmos], he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
I believe I've already show the understanding of Colossians in this thread somewhere. But I will post what I wrote to some one else.
You'll notice the similarity to
Ephesians 1, that they are saying the same thing, compare
Colossians 1 to
Ephesians 1, and you'll see they are almost a photo copy of each other, the subject being
inheritance. Also, compare with
1 Peter 3:21-22, when were they, angels and authorities and powers, made subject to him? After his resurrection, which is when he received his inheritance. If Jesus created them, then why are they being made subject to him? Did they not know who he was, or is? Many claim it's because of his humanity, but that's only what he is, not who he is. Is he still not the God person, it does not matter what substance God the person puts on
(although it does, but I say this for argument sake), God must remain God, or he ceases to be God. And yet to what he is, must not God, remain God, for Him to remain what He is, God? It seems like an absurd argument. Yet God is Spirit, He must remain Spirit for Him to remain God. And this is where John comes in, Jesus come in the flesh, not Spirit.
Colossians 1:12 (KJV) Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: ...15 Who is the image [likeness, the moon a reflection of the sun in a dark world, whom we can look upon in a dark world] of the invisible God [sun, whom we cannot look upon], the firstborn of every creature [it does not matter when the first born is born into the household, or comes into the world, he will become above all other servants in the household by inheritance, and his Father is over all, first born of God the new beginning, first reborn in heaven, angels are servants, mankind are servants, but can be adopted through Christ. Mark 16:15(KJV)15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. (creature is the same in both Col. 1:15 and Mark 16:15)]: 16 For [G3754 – hoti- that, because, since] by [G1722 – en – in, by, with] him were all things created [G2936 – ktizō - to make habitable, to people, a place, region, island, to found a city, colony, state, of God creating the worlds, to form, shape: i.e. to completely change or transform, (compare with verse 20 for an understand of what Paul is referring to when he speaks of create, which to transform and make habitable, make peace, and to reconcile all things, whether they be things in (G1909 - epi – upon, on) earth, or things in (G1722 – en – in, by, with) heaven. For example when speaking of “heaven” Revelation 12:1-9,12. And referring to “on earth” it is easy to see he is referring to reconciling us to Himself creating the new man), and that Christ a man inherited it, took it back for man setting things back in order. And to put all enemy's under him. And to destroy death.], that are in [G1722 – en – in, by, with] heaven, and that are in [G1909 - epi – upon, on] earth [verse 20 clears up this verse 16 in it's understanding], [notice it does not say created heaven and earth as it normally does but things “in” and “on” and has to do with authorities] visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created [G2936 – ktizō [as above]] by [G1223 - dia - by, through, for, with] him, and for [G1519 – eis - into, unto, to, towards, for, among] him [because he is the first born, a man, and it must be a man, who inherited all that belongs to God, Satan having no rights, no inheritance, nothing]: 17 And he is before [which can mean in the sense of “above” as in James 5:12; 1 Peter 4:8] all things, and by [G1722 – en – in, by, with] him all things consist [G4921 – synistēmi - to put together, unite parts into one whole (this fits with verse 20, and what Ephesians 1:10 says, and gives understanding to verse 16. Uniting all things in heaven and in earth, and made habitable, but is a process as we know till all his enemies are put under his feet)]. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him [Jesus] should all fulness dwell; 20 And, having made peace [whether in heaven or on earth] through the blood of his cross, by him [Jesus] to reconcile all things unto himself [Father]; by him [Jesus], I say, whether they be things in [G1909 - epi – upon, on] earth, or things in [G1722 – en – in, by, with] heaven.
Which fits with...
Ephesians 1:7(KJV) In whom we have redemption through his blood [you'll notice this verse speaking of his blood, flows right through to verse 10 through his blood gather together in one all things in heaven and on earth, as it says in Colossians 1:20], the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; 9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his [Father] will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he [Father] might gather together in one all things [fits with Colossians 1:17,20] in Christ, both which are in [G1722 – en – in, by, with] heaven, and which are on [G1909 - epi – upon, on] earth [again notice “in” and “on”]; even in him: 11 In whom also [key word in understanding what he has just been talking about, which as we will see is inheritance...] we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his [Father] own will: . . .20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come [through inheritance as a first born]: 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
God is not appointed over the whole world...
Job 34:13-15
13 Who gave Him (“Him” is speaking of God) charge over the earth?
Or who appointed Him over the whole world?
14 If He should set His heart on it,
If He should gather to Himself His Spirit and His breath,
15 All flesh would perish together,
And man would return to dust.
First, this does not say in
Colossians 1 Jesus created heaven and earth, but the things
in heaven and
on earth, and these things are authorities. Nothing about the material world, which should set off in our minds as odd. From the text, and these other passages, it's saying he made it habitable, or made peace in heaven and on earth, in the sense of change, transform, putting all thing right again, even building the new Jerusalem, but we know this happens over time, for he is waiting for his enemies to be put under his feet. We to are also a new creation, but not from scratch, it's more of a transformation. Both “were” in
Colossians 1:16 have been added to the text, though it could be understood in that sense. Notice what these things are, kept in context, they all have to do with authority, not the actual creation of all things, that the Father created. May bring to mind that of
Genesis 1 to have dominion, and over the works of your hands. Adam who was made last, on the sixth day, yet in the image of God, given authority over God's creation, as Christ was last, but became first over all, and the woman
(the new man), created in Adam, and for Adam, as it is with Christ. A man
(Jesus
) shall leave his mother and father
(on this earth) and be joined to his wife
(Church) becoming one flesh.
Jesus made heaven habitable, or transformed heaven, Satan and his angels are kicked out of heaven, giving authority to others, restoring proper authority. As it says in
Revelation 12, when the son is received up into heaven, and on the throne of God, Satan is cast out of heaven, and not only him, but all his angels as well
Revelation 12:9, giving peace to heaven, and those who are in heaven
Revelation 12:12a. Now having great wrath he overcomes the saints, and deceives the nations. And he does this by a false Christ. And what does this spirit of antichrist teach? That a man ascends above the clouds, into heaven, in God's temple, sitting on God's throne, proving he is God Isaiah 14:12-14, and 2 Thessalonians 2. That excludes not only every single man on earth, but every human, for there has only been one, that has ascended above the clouds, into heaven, in God's temple, sitting on God's throne, but he did not try to prove he was God, others accused him of being God. And before Jesus returns he is going to reveal this false christ. Just read up on the Bronze (or Copper, or Brass) serpent (Numbers 21:6–9 fiery serpent, Revelation 12:3 look up wording in Greek, it's a fiery (G4450 – pyrros - having the colour of fire, red) serpent (G1404 – drakōn - a dragon, a great serpent)), what they did with it, and what Hezekiah (shadow of Christ's return) did to it 2 Kings 18:3-7.
And there is much more.
I'm trying to call you out.
I don't care about winning some argument, I don't care what I get called, I understand. I am not here to grind steel against steel, for I have already done that, concerning this matter. I'm here to reveal the trinity that was prophesied about, concerning the generation that would come after all the apostles and elder fell asleep, to whoever will here. You will never get me to believe in a trinity, or that Jesus is the God again, for God has opened my eyes concerning these things. If I were to turn back, I may as well tie a rock around my own neck, and cast it into the sea. My only hope, is you'll get to understand why.
John 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall
know of
the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.