The religion of the Antichrist

[Timtofly]

I don't think Christ would be a Torah reading Jew, dude.

Literally Jesus was. But that is not Judaism.

Judaism is a religion from the oral tradition and Talmud from the Babylonian captivity and on. Judaism has nothing to do with the OT. The Torah is just the first 5 books attributed to Moses from Mt. Sinai. Judaism is the religion of man. Just like Christianity became the religion of man centered around the creeds outside of God's Word.

Being redeemed by God is not a religion. Being redeemed by God is a relationship with God. That is called the second birth. Jesus points this out in John 3.

 

[Douggg]

There are only 7 heads, not 8 heads. The 7th king and kingdom is Jesus declared King at the 7th Trumpet.

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Try again, Timtofly. Upon the seven heads the name of blasphemy. The 7th king cannot be Jesus.

 

[Soyeong]

I don't think Christ would be a Torah reading Jew, dude.

In 2 Thessalonians 2:3, the Antichrist is described as the man of lawlessness, which by contrast means that Jesus is the man of lawfulness as expressed through living in sinless obedience to the Torah. In Deuteronomy 13:1-5, the way that God instructed His people to recognize that someone is a false prophet who is not speaking for Him was if they spoke against obeying the Torah, so the defining characteristic of false prophets and their followers is that they are people of lawlessness.

 

[Timtofly]

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Try again, Timtofly. Upon the seven heads the name of blasphemy. The 7th king cannot be Jesus.

The 7th head is Satan. This is still the dragon with 7 heads. Same governmental association of humans with Satan.

The only one mentioned from the "sea" is the FP. He is the only human. Satan is not human, and the beast is the image brought to life, not human either.

The term AC is not used in Revelation.

 

[Douggg]

The 7th head is Satan. This is still the dragon with 7 heads. Same governmental association of humans with Satan.

The only one mentioned from the "sea" is the FP. He is the only human. Satan is not human, and the beast is the image brought to life, not human either.

The term AC is not used in Revelation.

The term Antichrist is not used in Revelation, agreed.

But the 7th head , 7th king, is not Satan. The 7th head will be the little horn person. He becomes the 7th head when he becomes leader over ten EU kings.

Then later, after going through his prince who shall come, then Antichrist, then revealed man of sin stages - he will be killed and comes back to life as the beast (king 8), dictator of the EU.

 

[friend of]

If God can put a body in hell, what difference is putting that body in the LOF?

I have no issue with the LOF. I'm just confused as to how an AI would go there. Where in the bible does it say that mankind can create an immortal soul? That's what would be required if an AI could be sent to the LOF.

 

[friend of]

Also, to make my point, I don't think when Jesus comes back He's going to be forcing the old testament Torah on people. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Soyeong]

Also, to make my point, I don't think when Jesus comes back He's going to be forcing the old testament Torah on people. That's all I'm saying.

Why would God's word made flesh not be interest in leading people to follow God's word?

The only religion that is described as being practiced in prophesies about the Messianic Era is the form of Judaism that believes in the Messiah.

 

[SamanthaAnastasia]

Sounds silly but we won’t know until we see it. Even then most will fall victim to it. It could be just a cult of personality (similar to Kim Jong Un in NK - the ppl literally worship him) or something more like an organized religion. We don’t know. Focus on repenting and making more oil for your lamp (easier said than done esp for me right now).
God bless.

 

[Timtofly]

The term Antichrist is not used in Revelation, agreed.

But the 7th head , 7th king, is not Satan. The 7th head will be the little horn person. He becomes the 7th head when he becomes leader over ten EU kings.

Then later, after going through his prince who shall come, then Antichrist, then revealed man of sin stages - he will be killed and comes back to life as the beast (king 8), dictator of the EU.




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So the dragon in Revelation 12 is not representing Satan? Satan is not just the body. Satan is one of the heads. (The 8th kingdom is of the 7, but not the 7th kingdom) The rest of the heads are the Kingdoms of Mankind, out of the sea to make up this dragon beast.

Satan gives power to this beast as symbolic of those who would crush Israel throughout history. Starting with the statue in Daniel 2. Some want to go back and include Egypt and Assyria. Neither were part of Daniel's image.

So we are currently in the 6th head kingdom, the one that is mortally wounded, as no single human government controls Europe, Asia, and the ME.

Chapter 12 is the historical dragon. Revelation 13 is the transition between the final harvest and the 7th Trumpet. Revelation 17 is the death woes after 42 months of the 8th kingdom.

The 7th Trumpet is announcing Jesus as the 7th kingdom and as King over all nations on the earth. One king total control.

In the midst of the week of the 7th Trumpet, 3.5 days later, God decides if time will be extended 42 more months. That is the confirmation of the Atonement Covenant. Satan is the 7th head, who is the 8th kingdom. Satan controls the world for 42 months. In Revelation 13, Satan sets up the FP, and together they bring an image to life, ai. That image is your AC, called the beast from that point on. Satan always retains the title of dragon, the 8th kingdom the 7th head.

"And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast."

That phrase does not say the heads are the kings. It states there are 7 kings. Satan is not a king. Satan is the beast in this explanation. Not the AC beast. The dragon, the sea beast, and now this beast the woman is sitting on. 7 plus Satan is 8.

So the 7th kingdom that is very short, only 3.5 days, is the kingdom of Christ declared at the 7th Trumpet. Jesus has been King, since creation. Jesus was the Prince to come in Daniel 9.

"and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space"

Jesus is still the Prince, King to come. If there is no 42 month extension, then no 8th kingdom at all. But Armageddon is Jesus taking back control and the 7th kingdom is the Millennial Kingdom either way. The view from Revelation 17 is dealing with human religion, and still the same historical kingdoms as the dragon and sea beast. But these heads are not first century humans, nor future human leaders. They represent the empires since Babylon and Nebuchadnezzar. So five have fallen. One is. The one we are in now, and Jesus is the 7th kingdom, but only 3.5 days after the 7th Trumpet starts sounding. That is when Satan is given 42 months.

There is not going to be an effort of a single human government until after the 6th Seal, Second Coming. That is when 2 Peter 3 takes place. That is when all the Continents and mountains are moved to form one landmass which is then divided into 10 sections. That is the 6th head revived.


But from the 7th Seal until the 7th Trumpet we have the final harvest. Jesus is removing billions of humans in judgment per Matthew 25:31 and Matthew 13. Not just redeemed people (the sheep), but the lost are removed. The goats cast into the LOF. The tares cast into the LOF. The sheep and wheat are the firstfruits of the Millennial Kingdom. The 144k and all the angels are part of this final harvest. That is the point every one is missing. Jesus clearly states in Matthew 13 and Matthew 25 that He is physically on the earth doing this judgment and harvest.

The deception is the church is looking for the wrong Christ. Then the church for the most part has decided they are going to be here on earth with Jesus the whole time. That is not the case. The church is the first to leave, because they are the last of the bride to be taken to Paradise, and wait for a thousand years to come back to the earth, in the New Jerusalem.

Unless one symbolizes away the specific and direct teachings of Christ, all this future speculation about an AC and 7 years is in direct contradiction to God's Word. Jesus is coming to earth for this period of trouble placed on Israel, His people. Not all of Israel is going to make it.

 

[Timtofly]

I have no issue with the LOF. I'm just confused as to how an AI would go there. Where in the bible does it say that mankind can create an immortal soul? That's what would be required if an AI could be sent to the LOF.

Revelation 13. This is not just a talking computer. This image is Satan's "Adam". Does Satan have a soul? Do angels have souls? Humans are the ones in the image of God. A human is the soul. The body and spirit is just the shell. Angels are the stars in the firmament unless sent in human form to earth. Satan has taken on many forms some of them created as other things like the serpent in the Garden. Humans tend to personify other forms of life as having a soul, but the only literal souls are humans.

No other creature was formed in God's image. Revelation 13 states Satan's "Adam" was made in the likeness of humans (the FP). Not very original as Satan is just copying what God already has created. Will this image be an actual human created ai? Probably not, but that is what they will assume, as that is what humans themselves seem to be shooting for. Satan will give humans their desire, but will be a nightmare for those sitting on the proverbial fence. Satan has planted the idea into our heads to begin with, as it will act as proof humans don't need God. The deception and abomination of desolation will only last 42 months, and then God will declare even Adam's disobedience over, as it has run it's course.

The point may be that this beast will be a constant reminder to both humans and angels that their effort to supplant God failed. I doubt any will understand until the beast is actually made a reality. It may not even happen. Revelation 13, 16, 17, 18, and 19 are the worse case scenario views of the future.

I think Revelation 14 is the shorter version, without a 42 month extension. Revelation 20 works after either 14 or 15. It would go from Revelation 12 to 14, then 15 and 20.

I think Revelation 15 explains where the sheep and wheat are during the final harvest once removed. The 7 Trumpets and 7 Thunders cover periods of time. This harvest is not over in the twinkling of an eye like the Rapture of the church. Matthew 13 and 25 show that Jesus spends time on the earth after the Second Coming. This judgment on a throne does not fit between Revelation 19 and 20. This time would cover the Trumpets and Thunders though.

No one enters the Day of the Lord in Adam's dead corruptible flesh. The one thousand year reign has no sin, no sin nature, no death and decay from natural causes. The curse put on creation will be removed that was placed as Adam's punishment. Just as sin entered the world, it will exit the world as if it had never existed. Not even the memory of sin will exist. Except in the LOF.

 

[anetazo]

Many people are closed minded, Duertonmomy chapter 9 . If it feels good, it must be ok. The word stubborn applys. God demands discipline and obedience. Our fore fathers are no different than this generation.
Second Peter chapter 3 . SCOFFERS will come in last days.
Zechariah chapter 1 . The four horns are brainwashing people. Its four agencies. Education system, economic, political and religion.
The education system drove God out. Its evolution and philosophy.
Many churches teach tradition of men and false doctrine.
Political. Our ever genius politicians sold out our nation. Look at Gaat and NAFTA.
Is this sinking in !.
The hirelings are with holding the truth from people. They won't teach ephesians chapter 6. You need gospel armour on. It's knowledge and wisdom of God's word. Those who are biblically illiterate will worship antichrist near future.
Satan uses false preachers to poison people's minds. Many people are not prepared for antichrist. False doctrine is rampant. It puts people in Bondage.
Revelation chapter 13 . The Beast is one world political system. Near future, thus system receives deadly wound. At the 6th trump, satan as antichrist will heal deadly wound. Now its a one world religious system.
Revelation chapter 9
It's 5 month period of antichrist.
People are not being warned and nourished by shepherds. Without gospel armory on, they are defenseless against antichrist lies and deception.
When antichrist arrives 6th trump, those who refuse to worship him. Can't buy or sell. The two witnesses of revelation chapter 11, arrive 10 day's before antichrist. Stock up on food.
The danger is when antichrist arrives 6th trump. Were in 5th trump.
Study sound doctrine.

 

[Douggg]

So the dragon in Revelation 12 is not representing Satan? Satan is not just the body. Satan is one of the heads. (The 8th kingdom is of the 7, but not the 7th kingdom) The rest of the heads are the Kingdoms of Mankind, out of the sea to make up this dragon beast.

The Revelation 12:9 says the great dragon is Satan. It does not say in Revelation 12, nor anywhere else that Satan is one of the seven heads.

The 7 heads represent seven kings, not seven kingdoms in Revelation 17:10.

In the midst of the week of the 7th Trumpet, 3.5 days later, God decides if time will be extended 42 more months. That is the confirmation of the Atonement Covenant. Satan is the 7th head, who is the 8th kingdom. Satan controls the world for 42 months. In Revelation 13, Satan sets up the FP, and together they bring an image to life, ai. That image is your AC, called the beast from that point on. Satan always retains the title of dragon, the 8th kingdom the 7th head.

No, Satan is not any of the 7 heads, 7 kings. King 7 the little horn person becomes king 8, the beast-king.

The false prophet has the people of the world make a statue image of the beast-king. And then has it placed on the temple mount platform as the abomination of desolation.

Later, when Satan is cast down to earth, he incarnates the statue image make it appear to come alive and speak. ai, artificial intelligence technology is not a factor.

 

[friend of]

No one enters the Day of the Lord in Adam's dead corruptible flesh. The one thousand year reign has no sin, no sin nature, no death and decay from natural causes. The curse put on creation will be removed that was placed as Adam's punishment. Just as sin entered the world, it will exit the world as if it had never existed. Not even the memory of sin will exist. Except in the LOF

Then what is the difference between the Millenial Kingdom of a 1000 years and the New Heavens New Earth? You seem to think they are exactly the same.

 

[Timtofly]

Then what is the difference between the Millenial Kingdom of a 1000 years and the New Heavens New Earth? You seem to think they are exactly the same.

The difference would be like comparing kindergarten with a PhD in Physics.

Most here think that Adam and Eve had the mental capacity of a 5 year old, no? The Millennium is just a restoration of that mental capacity Adam and Eve had prior to Adam's disobedience.

The NHNE would be like every one was born with a PhD in Physics.

The NHNE is a totally different reality in which the souls from this realty continue their, for lack of a better term, eternal existence.

How would any one describe the NHNE past what is written in Revelation 21? Only John was given a glimpse. Perhaps you are not recognizing the vast difference between this reality and the next? The Millennium only gets us back to earth as originally created. But not humanity living on the earth during the Millennium. Those living on the earth are not fully restored sons of God.

Those living on the earth continue to procreate and subdue the earth during the Millennium. That was the job description of humanity in Genesis 1. That is why the church will not be on the earth during the Millennium. The same reason the original sons of God have not lived on the earth since the Flood. The church is currently not on the earth, yet they sit in heavenly places as part of ruling over the earth. You are credited as part of the church via the Holy Spirit, but you are not yet sitting in heavenly places until your soul leaves this body of sin and death.

The Millennium is different from the last 6,000 years, because the curse is lifted, and Adam's dead corruptible flesh is gone. But the NHNE will be far different from current reality as between night and day. Seems you are presenting the NHNE far too short of what it will be. We don't even grasp what Adam and Eve were like or all the sons of God created on the 6th day. Most don't even think any one else but a single male was created on the 6th day.

People don't even understand what angels are. If we cannot even get current realty correct, what would we comprehend about the NHNE?

 

[friend of]

The Millennium is different from the last 6,000 years, because the curse is lifted, and Adam's dead corruptible flesh is gone. But the NHNE will be far different from current reality as between night and day. Seems you are presenting the NHNE far too short of what it will be. We don't even grasp what Adam and Eve were like or all the sons of God created on the 6th day. Most don't even think any one else but a single male was created on the 6th day.

People don't even understand what angels are. If we cannot even get current realty correct, what would we comprehend about the NHNE?

okay. not saying your wrong, but we don't have a whole lot of information even in Revelation about NHNE. What scriptures do you have to support what you're saying about NHNE??

 

[Timtofly]

okay. not saying your wrong, but we don't have a whole lot of information even in Revelation about NHNE. What scriptures do you have to support what you're saying about NHNE??

John states in Revelation 20:11

"from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them."

Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15:28

"And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."

The same point of this reality ending. Not just a changed current reality. We see how different the NHNE is in how things are described in Revelation 21. The size of the New Jerusalem. The fact there is no need for the sun and moon, because of the New Jerusalem.

 

[friend of]

John states in Revelation 20:11

"from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them."

Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15:28

"And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."

The same point of this reality ending. Not just a changed current reality. We see how different the NHNE is in how things are described in Revelation 21. The size of the New Jerusalem. The fact there is no need for the sun and moon, because of the New Jerusalem.

That explains a little about NHNE I suppose. But not a whole lot.

 

[dfw69]

Does anyone think it's possible that this whole New Age "attract anything you want into your life" and "be your own god" could be the primary religion of the the Antichrist during the tribulation? It's a belief system I'm constantly running into online, and it seems to be growing prominently in the world. I remember almost 2 decades ago Oprah featured a book called "The Secret" and it was all about the "power of attraction." It seems to have gained immense popularity among the New Age crowds.

If not the primary religion on the singular Antichrist, then certainly an antichristic religion altogether. What do you think it will be?

From my understanding of scripture…

An Antichrist in general terms is any belief against the belief that God the Father has a Son whose name is Yahsha. So any doctrine against the Father and Son doctrine is antichrist

The final ac will come to power over the 10 horn nations and will seek to rule in Jerusalem and many will believe He is god who has no Son named Yahsha

His false prophet (an Elijah type) will cause all to worship him as the true god of the Jews and will erect an idol in the temple to worship while he is away. This god who has no Son named Yahsha and will lead a rebellion against the true Father and His Son

Those who believe God does not have a Son will side with him when he appears for the deception will be great because they failed to recognize and receive the truth

Those that still believe that God has a Son who is coming at the end of days to rule in God’s stead are believers who will be persecuted by those who deny the Father and the Son doctrine

 

[Jipsah]

I don't think Christ would be a Torah reading Jew, dude.

He didn't need to read it, He's the Author.