The religion of the Antichrist

[friend of]

The religion of Christ is Judaism, so the religion of the anti-Christ is anti-Judaism.

so Christ is not a messianic Jew?

 

[friend of]

That was just a miss type, The man of sin is not the antichrist, the antichrist is the false prophet

The antichrist is not the false prophet, no, they are different. One is a beast from the sea (antichrist) the other is a beast from the earth (false prophet). The latter directs the world to worship the AC.

 

[Soyeong]

so Christ is not a messianic Jew?

Messianic Judaism and Christianity are form of Judaism.

 

[friend of]

Messianic Judaism and Christianity are form of Judaism.

I don't think Christ would be a Torah reading Jew, dude.

 

[Soyeong]

I don't think Christ would be a Torah reading Jew, dude.

Christ is the Jewish Messiah of Judaism in fulfillment of Jewish prophecy. He was born under the Torah (Galatians 4:4), he was circumcised as a Jew on the 8th day (Luke 2:21), and he set a sinless example for us to follow of how to practice Judaism by living perfect obedience to it. Jesus spent his ministry as a Jewish rabbi teaching his Jewish disciples how to practice Judaism in obedience to the Torah. Jesus quoted from Deuteronomy three times in order to defeat the temptations of Satan, so he had the entire Torah memorized, as was common for Jews at that time. The Torah is God's word and Jesus is God's word made flesh, so he is the living embodiment of the Torah.

In Luke 4:14-21, Jesus read the haftarah portion in a Jewish synagogue, so why don't you think that Christ would be a Torah reading Jew?

 

[RandyPNW]

Does anyone think it's possible that this whole New Age "attract anything you want into your life" and "be your own god" could be the primary religion of the the Antichrist during the tribulation? It's a belief system I'm constantly running into online, and it seems to be growing prominently in the world. I remember almost 2 decades ago Oprah featured a book called "The Secret" and it was all about the "power of attraction." It seems to have gained immense popularity among the New Age crowds.

If not the primary religion on the singular Antichrist, then certainly an antichristic religion altogether. What do you think it will be?

Look into the deterioration of the Christian heritage in Europe, and you will get a glimpse into Antichristian religion. It is Humanism, pure and simple, a dismantling of dogmatic religion for a loose embrace of "humanity,* governing itself in such a way at to offer the world an ordered Empire or State.

All of the current popular Me-isms are of that nature, a focus on Me, a focus on My Rights, a focus on Self-Development. The mystical aspect of Antichrist's Religion will likely be a kind of embrace of all religions headed by the State, as dictated by Antichrist himself. He will try to personify the equivalency of all of these religions, voiding any of the distinguishing marks of those religions so that he is preeminent over them all.

 

[d taylor]

The antichrist is not the false prophet, no, they are different. One is a beast from the sea (antichrist) the other is a beast from the earth (false prophet). The latter directs the world to worship the AC.

The beast from the sea is the King of the north/man of sin.

The antichrist is the false prophet, that is clear from John and his writing in, To John false prophets are the same as antichrist

1 John 2 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.


1 John 4 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world

 

[friend of]

The beast from the sea is the King of the north/man of sin.

That's the Antichrist

 

[d taylor]

That's the Antichrist

No the beast from the land is the antichrist, being that the land represents Israel the antichrist will be the Jewish false prophet known in Johns (1st,2nd,3rd) writings as the antichrist.

 

[friend of]

No the beast from the land is the antichrist, being that the land represents Israel the antichrist will be the Jewish false prophet known in Johns (1st,2nd,3rd) writings as the antichrist.

Then who is the beast from the sea?

 

[d taylor]

Then who is the beast from the sea?

Pauls man of sin and Daniels (11) king of the north. Look at Revelation 19 the beast is with the kings of the earth, why because he is himself a king, the king of the north

And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies gathered to make war against him who was sitting on the horse and against his army. And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image.

 

[friend of]

Pauls man of sin and Daniels (11) king of the north. Look at Revelation 19 the beast is with the kings of the earth, why because he is himself a king, the king of the north

You just said he wasn't the antichrist. The man of sin is the antichrist.

 

[d taylor]

You just said he wasn't the antichrist. The man of sin is the antichrist.

No the man of sin is the king of the north, the beast from the sea.

 

[Douggg]

Messianic Judaism and Christianity are form of Judaism.

I think it is Messianic Christianity, not Messianic Judaism. Judaism will change in the future. A rabbi once informed me that Judaism is defined as the religion of the Jews.

Jews (Judaism) see Messianic's as Christians.

 

[Douggg]

You just said he wasn't the antichrist. The man of sin is the antichrist.

basically. The Antichrist will reveal himself to be the man of sin. At which time, he stops being the Antichrist - perceived messiah to the Jews.

Same person though. The false prophet is a different person, the beast out of the earth.

little horn, prince who shall come, the Antichrist, the revealed man of sin, the beast - the same person

the false prophet - the beast out of the earth - a different person.

 

[Douggg]

No the man of sin is the king of the north, the beast from the sea.

the beast from the sea - the kingdom of the beast-king
the wounded but healed head - the beast king.

little horn, the prince who shall come (north and west of Israel), the Antichrist, the revealed man of sin, the beast - the same person

the false prophet - the beast out of the earth, a different person.

 

[Soyeong]

I think it is Messianic Christianity, not Messianic Judaism. Judaism will change in the future. A rabbi once informed me that Judaism is defined as the religion of the Jews.

Jews (Judaism) see Messianic s as Christians.

Torah observant Jews do not think that when the Messiah comes that he will start his own religion, but rather Jesus came as the Jewish Messiah of Judaism and he spent his ministry teaching how to practice Judaism by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Torah. In Acts 21:20, they were rejoicing that tens of thousands of Jews were coming to faith who were all zealous for the Torah, which as in accordance with believing in what Jesus gave himself to accomplish through the cross (Titus 2:14), so Jews coming to faith were not ceasing to practice Judaism. This means that there was a period of time between the resurrection of Jesus and the inclusion of Gentiles in Acts 10 that is estimated to be around 7-15 years during which all Christians were Torah observant Jews, so Christianity as its origin was the form of Judaism that recognizes Jesus was the Messiah, which is also known as Messianic Judaism.

Non-Christians Jews consider Jesus to be a false Messiah, so they don't recognize Christianity to be a form of Judaism even though the first Christian Jews didn't see themselves as converting to a different religion. However, Judaism and Christianity have since polarized with Non-Christian Jews following the Torah, but not the Messiah and with Christian following the Messiah, but not the Torah that he taught, while Messianics follow the Messiah and the Torah that he taught. However, there are some Messianics who see it as having no purpose beyond being an outreach to Jews and I think it is correct to some extent to identify that as not being Judaism, while there are other Messianics who see it as being a legitimate religion in its own right, such as with prophesies in regard to the Messianic Era, the only religion that is being practiced is a form of Judaism that recognizes Jesus as the Messiah, and I think that it is incorrect to not identify that as Judaism. Some Messianics don't identify as a Christian because that communicates to the average person that they are not Torah observant while some Messianics think that not identifying as a Christian communicates even more things to the average person that are false about what we believe. In short, it can be difficult to know how to identify ourselves.

In Exodus 12:38, there was a mixed multitude that came out out of Egypt with the Israelites, so there were Gentiles as the foot of Sinai, and in Joshua 8:33, Israel was inclusive of both the foreigner and the native born, so Gentiles are welcome to follow the God of Israel by practicing Judaism.

 

[d taylor]

the beast from the sea - the kingdom of the beast-king
the wounded but healed head - the beast king.

little horn, the prince who shall come (north and west of Israel), the Antichrist, the revealed man of sin, the beast - the same person

the false prophet - the beast out of the earth, a different person.

The King of the north also know as the man of sin becomes the beast after he is healed from his wound Revelation 13:3. He becomes the beast from the sea, when he becomes possessed by a past Roman ruler Revelation 17:10,11.

The false prophet (the antichrist) is the beast from the land (Israel), who brings worship to the beast.

 

[Timtofly]

The composite beast as a whole is the kingdom of the beast-king. The beast-king, the individual, will be the mortally wounded but healed head. The beast-king is king 8 of Revelation 17:10-11. King 7 after he will have been killed and come back to life. King 7 is the little horn person - coming from the West.

There are only 7 heads, not 8 heads. The 7th king and kingdom is Jesus declared King at the 7th Trumpet.

The dragon is still the 7 headed beast in Revelation 13 and 17. The first 4 heads were Babylon, Medes and Persians, Greece, and Rome. The 5th head was the kingdom between Rome and the Reformation. The 6th Kingdom has been defunct (in a dead state) since the Reformation. No one single nation has had control over Europe or Asia. The 7th head is Satan and his 10 kings without nations, after the 7th Trumpet. That is why Satan is the 8th kingdom after Jesus is declared the 7th kingdom.

Revelation 13 happens after the 7th Trumpet has started to sound. Except for the point the 6th head was revived. Part of Revelation 12 is historical, especially the birth of the man child. The 6th Kingdom is brought to life in the aftermath of the 6th Seal. But know one knows the length of time between the 6th Seal and the 7th Trumpet. They can guess all they want to, but it is not even 3.5 years. There is no 7 year period after the 6th Seal. That is the whole point of a thief in the night, and that no one can know when the Lord returns.

And by return, that means all will see the Lord God sitting on the great white throne, and the Lamb. That will happen at the 6th Seal. That is when Adam's spiritually blind condition is lifted. The 6th Kingdom will be in direct opposition to Jesus and the 144k sealed with the Father's name on their foreheads. When the 7th Trumpet sounds, the 6th kingdom will stop existing altogether.

That is what Revelation 17 declares about this 7 headed dragon beast. 5 are fallen. They have been gone since the Reformation. The 6th one has been the condition from the Reformation until now.

If you can see that the stone that was cut out hit the statue at the point of the ten toes, even though Jesus lived and was crucified during the 4th kingdom. The church grew until the fifth kingdom was destroyed. Then the church prevented any other human kingdom from becoming dominant. The church would be an internal influence in all nations. The church was not the 6th kingdom.

Some may claim that the nation of the Vatican is the 6th kingdom, but has been held in check. Who knows? It is dead, or will definitely suffer a death wound at the 6th Seal, the Second Coming. Satan will then attempt to bring it back to life. Many try to conflate Daniel with the last days. But Daniel never really covered the 6th kingdom. Daniel covered the time up until Jesus was born. We can assume that Satan was behind most of the attempts to control the outcome in the ME even trying to stop the birth of Jesus. But Daniel never mentions Satan, like John does in the book of Revelation.

But the 8th kingdom is that of Satan, making himself to be God on earth. That is only allowed by God if there is 42 months added after the 7th Trumpet sounds. It does not make sense to say the AC is the 7th kingdom, that is then defeated by Satan as the 8th kingdom. The AC is not both the 7th and 8th kingdoms. Jesus is not defeated. In Daniel 9:27 we see Jesus steps aside for 42 months to allow Satan’s 42 months in authority. Then returns and defeats Satan at Armageddon.

Satan is the 8th and of the 7. The 7th kingdom is not of the 7 heads at all, but is Jesus pronounced King at the 7th Trumpet. The 7th kingdom is the Millennial Kingdom.

 

[Timtofly]

Ah, but this proposes another quandary. How does God send an AI to the Lake of Fire? Wouldn't an AI need a soul in order to end up there? Mankind cannot make a soul out of technology, surely, no matter how technologically advanced we become. A soul is purely ethreal.

For the same reason the FP is cast alive, both body and soul into the LOF. The ai is the soul. That is the point of a software program that has self awareness. Software is the code that tells a computer what to do. In the case of an ai, how to listen, think, and respond as if there was no coding telling it what to do.

Bodies are cast alive into the LOF. The LOF is a physical place that forms at the 6th Seal. 2 Peter 3 compares the Second Coming to the Flood that literally brought water from above the firmament and under the earth up to the surface which then formed the oceans and our current weather patterns. Thus at the Second Coming instead of water, the firmament is going to turn into a place of fire, as everything is consumed, thus instead of oceans of water, we will get a lake of fire. Where this LOF will be placed is not known.

This lake with fire will be just as tangible as an ocean with water. Not sure how this is that hard to grasp? The sun is said to be such a place and everyone seems to accept the word of scientist. They claim the sun is so large that 1,300,000 earth's could fit inside this LOF. They just don't claim that people could survive. If one could never die, nor their body, living in the sun as alleged would be no different than placed in the LOF. No one takes issue with this natural LOF they claim is close to the earth now. The sun is not a spiritual place. I doubt it is the LOF. Besides, Scripture does not claim the sun is the LOF, but only a light in the sky. I doubt the LOF will be able to fit 1,300,000 earths inside, that would be overkill.

If you can imagine there is a literal sun as humans claim, why is it hard to accept a LOF where humans will be with both a body and soul? Matthew 10:28

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

If God can put a body in hell, what difference is putting that body in the LOF?

"And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."