The Homosexual Sin: Let the Word speak for itself!

[Gracchus]

I wonder what is a worse sin Homosexuality or lying

I have heard, although I don't know, that it is much easier to get a Jewish girl into bed than it is to get her to eat a bacon cheeseburger.

 

[Hairy Tic]

take out the interpretation and there the scripture is in black and white:



if u disagree with it, explain why

Three questions about the two Leviticus passages:

1. is the issue in either passage an ethical one ?
2. is that command still in force, for Christians ?
3. is either passage about what today is called homosexuality ?

Leviticus 18.22's "abomination" would be much clearer if it were translated "taboo".

A possible reply is, that the passage, both passages indeed, is to be found in the section of Leviticus called the "Holiness Code", & that therefore 18.22 & 20.13 practices opposed to holiness. I would counter that by pointing out that holiness is not necessarily an ethical category - it's concerned w/ being set apart fror a god or God - but not necessarily with ethics. Objects can be holy - but not because they are ethical. The Temple was holy - because it was "set apart" for God, not because it was ethically upright. Christian holiness OTOH *is* ethical, because Christians are to live lives that reflect the ethical Holiness of God as made known in Jesus Christ.

Whether the Scripture is black & white is not the most important thing - one has also to ask what it would mean to the people for whom it was intended. Leviticus is holy for Christians only b/c the Church early on adopted the Jewish Bible, of which Leviticus is part, as Scripture.

 

[sbvera13]

I can tell you with certainty that you don't want to compare the treatment of homosexuals between Islam and Christianity. Homosexuals are an endangered species in most Islamic countries. If they come out of the so-called closet there, it might be the last time they come out of the closet. So, you bashing Christianity on this issue and talking about tolerance is extremely odd.

So its ok for you to do, because some other people do it even worse? Sorry, Christians aren't getting of the hook so easily. Christians are still intolerant.

 

[Hairy Tic]

I wonder what is a worse sin Homosexuality or lying

## Lying, definitely - b/c it says that what is not, is; & tries to get others to believe this. It's a safe guess that there are far more Christian liars than homosexuals. But if people are deliberately untruthful & deliberateful attempt to deceive others, society is going to be in danger of collapsing; lies corrupt its fabric, for in a society of liars no one is able to believe a word anyone says.

Homosexualiity is more visible - so it attracts more flak.

 

[Hairy Tic]

gay marriage will lead to the breakdown of society

## Adultery, abortion, contraception and multiple marriages are doing that very efficiently already - all things that gays don't do. Those heteros do them all the time.

 

[Hairy Tic]

darnit....I put so much effort into being stupid

## For real paranoia, this cannot be bettered:

The Satanic Cosmology of Jack Chick - 10 Zen Monkeys

 

[nChrist]

So its ok for you to do, because some other people do it even worse? Sorry, Christians aren't getting of the hook so easily. Christians are still intolerant.

God's Word says it's wrong and sin, so we agree. If there's a hook for calling it wrong and sin - we don't want off the hook.

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[sbvera13]

No, "God's Word" says it's an abomination and unclean- the same word it uses when saying that a menstruating women and any furniture she touches within 7 days need to be cleansed by a priest. I would take anything in the Book of Leviticus with a grain of salt- there's lots of other "wrong and sinful" things in there that are a bit more, um, interesting.

 

[onemorequestion]

The Law:

Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." (NIV)


Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." (NIV)

-Original KING JAMES Translation.

God's WORD Translation: When a man has sexual intercourse with another man as with a woman, both men are doing something disgusting and must be put to death. They deserve to die.

New LIVING Translation: "If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense."
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Thank God for Jesus and the Gospel (the good news). For He bore ALL of these sins and any sins that would be committed AFTER his death (1 Peter 2:24, Isaiah 53:4-5), that means sins committed knowingly or unwittingly, more than 2000 years after His death, on the Cross. So no one, any longer NEEDS to die and go to hell for these sins (not to say that people WON'T die and aren't CURRENTLY dying and going to hell for refusing Jesus in their hearts to cleanse them of this unrighteous sin). The good news is, people who are living, alive, NOW can confess Jesus as Lord and then allow JESUS to cleanse them of all unrighteousness and lead them in the path of righteousness for His name sake. Rom. 10:9-10, John 3:16, Psalms 5:8, Psalms 143:11, 1 John 1:9
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After the law, The Gospel:
For the law was not intended for people who do what is right. It is for people who are lawless and rebellious, who are ungodly and sinful, who consider nothing sacred and defile what is holy, who kill their father or mother or commit other murders. The law is for people who are sexually immoral, or who practice homosexuality, or are slave traders, liars, promise breakers, or who do anything else that contradicts the wholesome teaching. ~1 Timothy 1:10

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders. 1 Corinth. 6:9

"They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen, therefore, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." (NIV)Romans 1:26-27 What happened to Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities near them is an example for us of the punishment of eternal fire. The people of these cities suffered the same fate that God's people and the angels did, because they committed sexual sins and engaged in homosexual activities. (God's Word Translation) ~Jude 1:7

"The Lord knows those who are his...Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness." ~2 Timothy 2;19

This is just the WORD speaking here.

God bless America!

You forgot:

Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.

- Hebrews 13:4

There is no such thing as "homosexual marriage" anywhere in the Bible.

 

[onemorequestion]

## Adultery, abortion, contraception and multiple marriages are doing that very efficiently already - all things that gays don't do. Those heteros do them all the time.

Wouldn't the eventual rise and celebration of homosexuality be seen as a symptom of a broken down society?

On the heels of . . .?

 

[b&wpac4]

Wouldn't the eventual rise and celebration of homosexuality be seen as a symptom of a broken down society?

Wouldn't the rise and celebration the Christian religion be seen as a symptom of a broken down society?

I don't actually believe that, but it is just as silly as your statement.

 

[plindboe]

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[tsiehtA_ehT]

You know, OneMoreQuestion, I don't get it. You refuse to take responsibility for your own sinful actions (in fact, it seems as though you think that you're incapable of sinning at all), you say hateful things and advocate hateful behaviors and attitudes, and you absolutely refuse to pay any attention at all to what Christ said in the New Testament, especially when it comes to loving and respecting others. Don't claim to be a Christian and then refuse to act like Christ. That makes as little sense as being a Buddhist and paying no attention to the teachings of Buddha does. I mean, if you really think that Christ died to save you from your sins, then prove it by emulating him.

 

[b&wpac4]

If you just want to follow the Old Testament, then you should just start calling yourself an Orthodox Jew.

Actually, we have Love Thy Neighbor As Yourself in Leviticus, so we're to act with love toward others.

 

[tsiehtA_ehT]

Actually, we have Love Thy Neighbor As Yourself in Leviticus, so we're to act with love toward others.

Oh, really? That's in the OT, too? Huh. Guess you learn something new every day.

 

[b&wpac4]

Oh, really? That's in the OT, too? Huh. Guess you learn something new every day.

Indeed. Jesus didn't invent that idea.

 

[nChrist]

Wouldn't the eventual rise and celebration of homosexuality be seen as a symptom of a broken down society?

On the heels of . . .?

Yes, it would be and is.

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