The Full and awesome power of the Holy Spirit

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I've wondered why some denoms down play the significance. It wasn't until the Holy Spirit was introduced to me as so LIVING that my walk caught on fire! I think many people run on two cylinders because the church they attend is focused on the pulpit AND the Lord. When the Holy Spirit gives His gifts, the PEOPLE begin to minister....give prophecy, a tongue w/interpretation, are used for healing, give words of knowledge, perform miracles as He sees fit.....this would take the eyes off the pulpit and bring some attention to a 'lay' person. Which really, the person being used for ministry is actually invisible...or should be.:D Since the eyes should be on the Father, Son, Holy Ghost. I'm thinking this might be a threat to the pulpit...or of concern that the lay people might not be 'qualified' to be used. Hmmm...so it really comes down to ......Are we qualified by man or by the Him when we are called to minister? We all the answer to that one. My fear of Man had held me back...so I'm appreciative for the forum...it's really helping me to step out and talk...I am a bit intimidated by all the wisdom here, though...but am trying to get out of my comfort zone and into His will for me.:holy:
 
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Anthony said:
Why do so many Christian run on only two cylinders of the trinity?

The Holy Spirit is the step child of the trinity; many Christians refer to the Holy Spirit as if is was some magic fairy dust, or simply a power source rather than and equal part of the trinity.:eek:
I don't see any Christian dealing with only two of the three . They are one in more ways than one . Are you thinking that people are having a relationship with the Lord without the Holy Spirit being a part of the communication between them ?
 
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Anthony said:
What I see is a heavier weighting on Jesus Christ, and God, with the Holy Spirit thrown in for good measure. I am also referring to the total Christian community regardless of location or denomination.
I understand that you are writing about people using the term "Holy Spirit" . What I am asking is whether you are saying that they are actually having a relationship with the Lord without the Holy Spirit being a part of the equation . If the Holy Spirit is active in the relationship , it doesn't matter if they are using the term "Holy Spirit" . Many times that I use the term "Lord" , I am referring to the Holy Spirit . When I say that the Lord told me or led me , I am saying that I was led or told via the Holy Spirit .
 
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Actually, this whole issue goes back to the Great Schism of 1054.

For those who may not know, that is when the Eastern Churches (Orthodox) and Western Church (Roman Catholic) seperated. There were different issues involved by the primary issue was that of the 'filioque'. Filioque is the latin phrase for 'and the Son', which was added to the Nicene Creed by the Roman Church. This caused the Creed to now read "The Holy Spirit... who proceeds from the Father and the Son"

While this may sound like a small thing, the way it played out in theology was actually a major development. In the Western church a heirarchy developed in the thinking of theologians.
1. God the Father at the top,
2. Jesus next in line, and
3. the Holy Spirit at the bottom.
The next logical step was that if you have access to someone higher in the heirarchy then you didn't 'need' someone lower down as much. You may have heard taught in churches something to the effect that 'the Holy Spirit will always lift up Jesus'. (Well, if the Holy Spirit is just as much God as Jesus, then couldn't He lift Himself up? or maybe just the Father? )

Over time the theology progressed... if the Church is the Body of Christ, then the heirarchy would look like this:

1. God the Father
2. Jesus-- and His Body the Church
3. The Holy Spirit

If you present it to someone this way, they immediately would say, NO, the Holy Spirit is above the Church, but if you study their theology this is the way it unfolds in a practical manner-- With the Holy Spirit subservient to the Church. It reached a point that it was said that the three great truths of the Bible are the Father, the Son, and the Church.:doh:


In the East, however, they held it was more of a triangle than an heirarchy, with the Father at the top point, and the Son and the Spirit each 'equal' .

....Father
..../ `````\
Son ===Spirit

In this way the Son and the Spirit were interdependent upon each other-- the Son did nothing until He was anointed by the Spirit and the Spirit did not come until He was 'poured out' by the Son.

With this view, if you see the Church as the Body of Christ, then the Church can do nothing without the Holy Spirit's empowering and the Spirit operates through the Church.

Because of holding this view, the Western Church accused the Eastern Church of being too 'mystical' because of their emphasis of the role of the Spirit in the church, including experiences such as visions, dreams, prophecy, etc.

Unfortunately, many Pentecostals/Charismatics come from a theological background that still holds to the 'filioque'. This is often the cause of many of the theological issues that arise, as they are trying to reconcile one part of their theology which places an emphasis on the Holy Spirit with another part of their theology that shoves the Spirit aside.


I hope this helps a little!
 
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Father Rick said:
In the East, however, they held it was more of a triangle than an heirarchy, with the Father at the top point, and the Son and the Spirit each 'equal' .

....Father
..../ `````\
Son ===Spirit

In this way the Son and the Spirit were interdependent upon each other-- the Son did nothing until He was anointed by the Spirit and the Spirit did not come until He was 'poured out' by the Son.
FR,

Isn't that similar to the way St. Patrick taught the Irish about the trinity? Please correct me if I'm wrong (which is highly likely :))
 
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It would be alright if trinity was in the BOOK which it is not! IT'S GODHEAD OR DIVINE NATURE. Oh I forgot agian! Man was smarter then God and gave Him the trinity name. You all got it right God didn't know what to call Himself. Boy do I feel dumb. I pick up the book and look there it is GODHEAD OR DIVINE NATURE I guess I'd better mark that out and write trinity there.
 
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