The finished work of Christ

[bloodygrace]

Our salvation is from sin, and sin is defined as the transgression of the Mosaic Law (1 John 3:4), so being trained by grace to do what is Lawful and to refrain from doing what is Lawless is an essential part of what our salvation is, not adding to our salvation (Titus 2:11). Christ gave himself to redeem us from all Lawless and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, which again is doing what is Lawful (Titus 2:14, Acts 21:20). We can't be saved from sin without it involving us repenting from our sins and turning back to obedience. We can't have faith in God to guide us in how we should live while not submitting to His guidance through His Law.

Sin is the transgression of the law and the law is much more than two tablets of stone. The bible also says that anything that is not from faith is sin. Sin is what you are not what you do. You were born a sinner before you did anything good or bad.

 

[bloodygrace]

Until you read Romans 10:9-10 where we see how Salvation actually enters into the life of a person.

Romans 10:9
if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.



Until you read Romans 2:14-6 and Daniel 7:9-10 where that doctrine on judgment is spelled-out for all to see.

It is a doctrine that adds nothing to the finished work of Christ on the Christ - and also denies nothing about the continued work of Christ in heaven as our High Priest.

As we all know - by now.

We also know that Ellen White did not write Daniel 7, or Romans 2 or Leviticus 16.

So then - details in real life matter -- as I am sure we all can agree at this point.

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Nothing happened in 1844 because a day does not equal a year in prophecy. All the time periods are literal including the 2300 days and 70 weeks.

 

[rainbowinthesky]

Our salvation is from sin, and sin is defined as the transgression of the Mosaic Law (1 John 3:4), so being trained by grace to do what is Lawful and to refrain from doing what is Lawless is an essential part of what our salvation is, not adding to our salvation (Titus 2:11). Christ gave himself to redeem us from all Lawless and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, which again is doing what is Lawful (Titus 2:14, Acts 21:20). We can't be saved from sin without it involving us repenting from our sins and turning back to obedience. We can't have faith in God to guide us in how we should live while not submitting to His guidance through His Law.

Very true. Not one of us can be brought back to obedience unless we appropriate to ourselves the merits of the blood shed for us upon Calvary's cross. (Romans 3:25) The merits of Christ must be placed upon us and thus we become partakers of the divine nature for Christ became one with us that we might become one with Him in divinity. (2 Peter 1:4) It is our privilege to claim the all-sufficient merits of the sacrifice made for us upon Calvary's cross for we are accepted through Christ's merits alone. This is the only faith that will benefit us. As we approach God through the merits of the blood shed for us, Christ places us close by His side, encircling us with His human arm while with His divine arm He grasps the Throne of the Infinite. Thus man is elevated in the scale of moral value with God and man and God become one and with divinity and humanity combined we can accomplish a work as enduring as eternity. When this is our experience the Lord will finish His work upon the earth and cut it short in righteousness working in us, through the Spirit, both to will and to do His good pleasure. (Phil.3:9; 2:13; Rom.9:28)

 

[BobRyan]

Nothing happened in 1844 because a day does not equal a year in prophecy.

Until you read Daniel 9 which tells us of the 70 week - 490 year prophecy from the time of Ezra to the first coming of Christ - the Messiah. As every Christian denomination on the planet will admit.

When a Bible detail is so incredibly obvious that all Christian denominations "Admit it" - well that is pretty impressive my friend.

You have free will of course and you can provide your own speculation to the contrary. Not saying you can't do that.

Just saying that this is not a "Bible detail" that only SDAs can see.

 

[rainbowinthesky]

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Who says?

 

[bloodygrace]

Very true. Not one of us can be brought back to obedience unless we appropriate to ourselves the merits of the blood shed for us upon Calvary's cross. (Romans 3:25) The merits of Christ must be placed upon us and thus we become partakers of the divine nature for Christ became one with us that we might become one with Him in divinity. (2 Peter 1:4) It is our privilege to claim the all-sufficient merits of the sacrifice made for us upon Calvary's cross for we are accepted through Christ's merits alone. This is the only faith that will benefit us. As we approach God through the merits of the blood shed for us, Christ places us close by His side, encircling us with His human arm while with His divine arm He grasps the Throne of the Infinite. Thus man is elevated in the scale of moral value with God and man and God become one and with divinity and humanity combined we can accomplish a work as enduring as eternity. When this is our experience the Lord will finish His work upon the earth and cut it short in righteousness working in us, through the Spirit, both to will and to do His good pleasure. (Phil.3:9; 2:13; Rom.9:28)

Have you ever studied election in Romans 8-11? God chooses who will be saved not you. All your works are meaningless in the eyes of the Almighty.

 

[rainbowinthesky]

Sin is the transgression of the law and the law is much more than two tablets of stone. The bible also says that anything that is not from faith is sin. Sin is what you are not what you do. You were born a sinner before you did anything good or bad.

Any sin that is committed is covered in the ten commandments. The law of God is exceedingly broad. (Psalm 119:96)

 

[bloodygrace]

Until you read Daniel 9 which tells us of the 70 week - 490 year prophecy from the time of Ezra to the first coming of Christ - the Messiah. As every Christian denomination on the planet will admit.

When a Bible detail is so incredibly obvious that all Christian denominations "Admit it" - well that is pretty impressive my friend.

You have free will of course and you can provide your own speculation to the contrary. Not saying you can't do that.

Just saying that this is not a "Bible detail" that only SDAs can see.

The 70 week prophecy is for the last days and the restoration of Jerusalem and the tribulation temple by the antichrist.

 

[bloodygrace]

Any sin that is committed is covered in the ten commandments. The law of God is exceedingly broad. (Psalm 119:96)

No it's not the law according to the bible is the Torah and you haven't even figured that out yet, lol.

 

[BobRyan]

Have you ever studied election in Romans 8-11? God chooses who will be saved not you. All your works are meaningless in the eyes of the Almighty.

Sure - here is how the arbitrary-selection doctrine that is sometimes called unconditional-election fails in Romans 10

read Romans 10:9-10 where we see how Salvation actually enters into the life of a person.

Romans 10:9
if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

And here is how it fails in John 1:11
"He came to His OWN and His OWN received Him not" John 1:11

Next we will look at how that doctrine fails in Romans 2:4-16

 

[bloodygrace]

Sure - here is how the arbitrary-selection doctrine that is sometimes called unconditional-election fails in Romans 10

read Romans 10:9-10 where we see how Salvation actually enters into the life of a person.

Romans 10:9
if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

And here is how it fails in John 1:11
"He came to His OWN and His OWN received Him not" John 1:11

Next we will look at how that doctrine fails in Romans 2:4-16

Those that believe are God's chosen sheep. Those that don't are Satan's goats.

 

[BobRyan]

The 70 week prophecy is for the last days and the restoration of Jerusalem and the tribulation temple by the antichrist.

Nope it is about the first coming of Christ - the Messiah and in the midst of that last 7 years - he is cut off (crucified) and puts a stop to sacrifices and offerings (See Hebrews 10:4-11 confirming that same point).

This is irrefutable.

This is a detail regarding the 483 years to the first coming of Christ - admitted to - by every denomination on the planet. As we both know.

Still - you are free to speculate to the contrary. You have free will. Not saying you can't do that.

 

[BobRyan]

Those that believe are God's chosen sheep. Those that don't are Satan's goats.

The text says "He came to His OWN"

It does not say - the much-imagined "He came to the devil's-own and the devil's-own received him not"

-- Bible details matter.

SDAs prefer the Bible.

 

[bloodygrace]

Nope it is about the first coming of Christ - the Messiah and in the midst of that last 7 years - he is cut off (crucified) and puts a stop to sacrifices and offerings (See Hebrews 10:4-11 confirming that same point).

This is irrefutable.

This is a detail regarding the 483 years to the first coming of Christ - admitted to - by every denomination on the planet. As we both know.

Still - you are free to speculate to the contrary. You have free will. Not saying you can't do that.

That's why the book is sealed until the time of the end which is just another way of saying it pertains to the last days.

 

[bloodygrace]

The text says "He came to His OWN"

It does not say - the much-imagined "He came to the devil's-own and the devil's-own received him not"

-- Bible details matter.

SDAs prefer the Bible.

You are so steeped in works that faith is a foreign concept.

 

[BobRyan]

That's why the book is sealed until the time of the end which is just another way of saying it pertains to the last days.

Not all the book is sealed. Only those prophecies that pertain to the end of time. Daniel 9 is not one of those as the text points out.

What is more - that book as been unsealed at the close of the 2300 year timeline in Daniel 8. Thus we have an "unsealed book" in Revelation 10.

 

[BobRyan]

You are so steeped in works that faith is a foreign concept.

you simply "quote you" when making railing accusations. Is that supposed to be "compelling" for everyone else?

If that is your "solution" then I must say - I find your logic "illusive".

Why would you even come to this board with such an agenda??

Try relying on the Bible "instead".

SDAs prefer the Bible.

 

[BobRyan]

Any sin that is committed is covered in the ten commandments. The law of God is exceedingly broad. (Psalm 119:96)

Indeed James says "he who breaks one - breaks them all" and Jesus said that the Ten Commandments are included in the moral law of God called "The Word of God" ... the "Commandment of God" and "Moses said" in His statement of Mark 7:6-13.

So certainly they are included...so also is Lev 19:18 and Deut 6:5 Which all Christians freely admit.

 

[rainbowinthesky]

Have you ever studied election in Romans 8-11? God chooses who will be saved not you. All your works are meaningless in the eyes of the Almighty.

The works of the true children of God are the works of God, the works of faith which God prepared beforehand that they should walk in them. (Eph.2:10) These works, in and of themselves, do not act a part in the salvation of the soul or in merit and yet the Lord will reward us for these works as if we had done them ourselves. Those who walk through the everlasting gates will have a deep sense of their unworthiness declaring themselves to be "unprofitable servants" (Luke 17:10) and deserving no thanks from God. Their confession will be the confession of faith, giving glory to God and to the Lamb. If asked what right they have to enter the City of God, their only answer would be: Lord we have nothing of which to boast. Our only hope is in the merits and righteousness of a crucified and risen Savior. It is Christ, through the Spirit, who has accomplished everything as we daily applied to the merits of His shed blood. And the Father will say to them: Good and faithful servants. Enter in and take possession of the Kingdom which was prepared for you even before the foundation of the world.

 

[rainbowinthesky]

Have you ever studied election in Romans 8-11? God chooses who will be saved not you. All your works are meaningless in the eyes of the Almighty.

Any blood that was offeredwas


Any blood that was offered or used on the day of atonement was from an animal that was slain indicating that Christ's sacrificial death is the basis for any cleansing. In layman's terms the finished work of Christ is what cleanses the most holy. The day of atonement does not add anything it merely uses what was already accomplished.

What I mean is that you seem to forget or to be ignorant of the fact that the type in the Old Testament had two apartments, the holy and the most holy places. Therefore the antitype in Heaven has two apartments. When Christ ascended up on High He entered the first apartment to begin the work of atonement by pleading the merits of His shed blood. And when the time for the final atonement came, Christ passed from the Holy to the Most Holy place. This took place on the 22nd of October, 1844.