the Antichrist

[3 Resurrections]

The person who becomes the Antichrist and then later the beast-king will be cast alive into the lake of fire at Jesus's Second Coming in Revelation 19:20.

The Antichrist / Man of Lawlessness never becomes a "beast-king" in scripture. You are mistakenly combing two different characters in this drama.

And Paul never wrote that the Antichrist / Man of Lawlessness would be cast into the Lake of Fire at Jesus's second coming. The language of 2 Thess. 2:8-9 has been misunderstood to be Christ's coming that would destroy the Man of Lawlessness (Christ does not come doing "lying wonders", working with "deceivableness of unrighteousness").

It was the brightness of the Man of Lawlessness' own coming into power by "exalting himself" over his rivals that was the means of his own undoing. Menahem's meteoric rise to power as an "insupportable tyrant" in Jerusalem provoked his rivals into murdering him in AD 66 in the temple.

 

[Douggg]

The Antichrist / Man of Lawlessness never becomes a "beast-king" in scripture. You are mistakenly combing two different characters in this drama.

And Paul never wrote that the Antichrist / Man of Lawlessness would be cast into the Lake of Fire at Jesus's second coming. The language of 2 Thess. 2:8-9 has been misunderstood to be Christ's coming that would destroy the Man of Lawlessness (Christ does not come doing "lying wonders", working with "deceivableness of unrighteousness").

It was the brightness of the Man of Lawlessness' own coming into power by "exalting himself" over his rivals that was the means of his own undoing. Menahem's meteoric rise to power as an "insupportable tyrant" in Jerusalem provoked his rivals into murdering him in AD 66 in the temple.

The revealing of the man of sin is one of two actions that will occur before the day of Christ begins, during which the great tribulation takes place. The other is a great falling away in Christianity from believing that Jesus is the messiah.

Neither took place two thousand years. The revealed man of sin is not about some unknown to history person, such as Menahim

When the Antichrist comes to power following Gog/Magog, the whole world is know about that individual. The Jews will think he is the messiah, and many who believe in Jesus will turn away from Jesus, as the great falling away.

 

[One God and Father of All]

The woman is charged with...

Revelation 17: 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

The woman turned harlot in Revelation 17, sits on the seven mountains, and also on many waters of the earth representing the peoples, ,multitudes, nations, tongues.

The harlot will be destroyed by fire by the ten kings aligned with the beast in Revelation 17:16. The harlot is the Vatican. The Vatican will be burned to the ground when the person becomes the beast-king.

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Babylon the Great, the mother of the harlot, is the mystical kingdom of Satan and his angels. That kingdom will be destroyed in Revelation 18, and is responsible for....

Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

The little horn king sits on the beast with 10 horns and 7 heads. The seven mountains are the 7 heads. The 10 kings who destroy the harlot by fire are the 10 horns of the beast where the little horn king was with.
The cooperation of the little horn king with the beast, 10 horns, and 7:heads will end when the ten kings, who hate the harlot little horn, will turn against the little horn king and those people Under him.

 

[3 Resurrections]

The Jews will think he is the messiah, and many who believe in Jesus will turn away from Jesus, as the great falling away.

You are not considering that the word "apostasia" can mean "revolt, or rebellion" in a defection from a certain civic order within a nation. This was the case with the rebellion against Rome which was launched in AD 66 by the Zealots. Menahem was the first one of those competing Zealot leaders to present himself as the "king of the Jews" in the temple itself, which Josephus documented for us.

You want to interpret this "apostasia" falling away as strictly a religious defection from the truth, but that is not the only sense in which this Greek word can be understood. Also, the scripture doesn't spell out that the Antichrist (who was then in existence when Paul was writing) was going to be known all around the globe. This is an exaggeration of the language concerning the "Man of Lawlessness".

And you have the Gog battle in the wrong chronology as well. Scripture never said that the Gog conflict would come before the Man of Lawlessness.

 

[Douggg]

The little horn king sits on the beast with 10 horns and 7 heads. The seven mountains are the 7 heads. The 10 kings who destroy the harlot by fire are the 10 horns of the beast where the little horn king was with.
The cooperation of the little horn king with the beast, 10 horns, and 7:heads will end when the ten kings, who hate the harlot little horn, will turn against the little horn king and those people Under him.

The little horn person is the one of the seven heads. The seven heads represent seven mountains - the place where the harlot has her residence. And also represent 7 kings.

The harlot is a woman and does not have a little horn. The little horn person is king 7. Who later when mortally wounded and comes back to life becomes the beast-king, king 8. As the beast-king, he rules 42 months in Revelation 13.

 

[Douggg]

You want to interpret this "apostasia" falling away as strictly a religious defection from the truth, but that is not the only sense in which this Greek word can be understood. Also, the scripture doesn't spell out that the Antichrist (who was then in existence when Paul was writing) was going to be known all around the globe. This is an exaggeration of the language concerning the "Man of Lawlessness".

The Antichrist is widely known about globally. Christians, non-Christians, have heard about him. You are the only person I know of who is claiming the Antichrist to have been some guy named Menahem back in the first century.

And you have the Gog battle in the wrong chronology as well. Scripture never said that the Gog conflict would come before the Man of Lawlessness.

Ezekiel 39, the Gog/Magog event is a time of the end, latter days, latter years event that is followed by 7 years in Ezekiel 39:9-10 which corresponds to the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27

Jesus Himself is speaking in the text of Ezekiel 39:21-29 after those 7 years, having returned to this earth, His Second Coming.

During the 7 years following Gog/Magog will be the time of the Antichrist, who after about 3 years, reveals himself to be the man of sin.

Who is then killed and brought back to life as the beast-king. And a statue image made of him and placed on the temple mount as the abomination of desolation set up. Triggering the beginning of the great tribulation. Ending with Armageddon in Ezekiel 39:17-20. And Jesus's return in Ezekiel 39:21-29.

 

[One God and Father of All]

The little horn person is the one of the seven heads. The seven heads represent seven mountains - the place where the harlot has her residence. And also represent 7 kings.

The harlot is a woman and does not have a little horn. The little horn person is king 7. Who later when mortally wounded and comes back to life becomes the beast-king, king 8. As the beast-king, he rules 42 months in Revelation 13.


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The harlot woman doesn’t have a little horn because she is the little horn.

The woman represents the people of Israel Ezekiel 16 and the horn represents their evil king.

The little horn has 10 horns and 7 heads because he sits on the beast with the same. The heads and horns are applied to him because he is sitting on that beast.

 

[One God and Father of All]

The harlot woman doesn’t have a little horn because she is the little horn.

The woman represents the people of Israel Ezekiel 16 and the horn represents their evil king.

The little horn has 10 horns and 7 heads because he sits on the beast with the same. The heads and horns are applied to him because he is sitting on that beast.

The drawings are symbols of the same thing. The little horn comes up on the ten toes (horns) of Daniel’s image. The beast has 10: horns and 7 heads in Revelation. The woman sits on the beast with the same horns and heads. The red dragon has the same horns and heads.
The antichrist is the little horn, the harlot woman, and the red dragon.
The little horn is a king of Israel, the AntiChrist who claims to be God. He rules over the woman who is a harlot for worshipping the king over her, and he is Satan because he embodies all that is evil.

 

[Douggg]

The harlot woman doesn’t have a little horn because she is the little horn.

The woman represents the people of Israel Ezekiel 16 and the horn represents their evil king.

The little horn has 10 horns and 7 heads because he sits on the beast with the same. The heads and horns are applied to him because he is sitting on that beast.

You are calling the harlot - a "he" ?

 

[brakelite]

What does the term Antichrist mean? It means opposing Christ in a manner that replaces him. It is the establishment of an office or position that times in the hearts and minds as a counterfeit...a false Christ instead of the true. The Bible powerfully indicates that this power established itself within the church, and not from outside. It isn't an enemy outside the gate, but within. It is a traitor to the cause because he haas established a counterfeit system of salvation...a counterfeit saviour...a counterfeit hope.
Jesus came and demonstrated and/or revealed who He is, and what His purpose was in coming, and the manner by which he would accomplish that purpose. A threefold ministry if you will. Priest, Prophet, and King. Jesus did this in testimony against His enemies who were seeking to destroy Him. Note the following passages...
Matthew 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.

The temple, the priesthood, and the religious system of the Jewish nation go hand in hand. It was the mainstay and focal point of the life of Israel. Yet Jesus claimed to be greater. Greater even than the very High priest who no doubt would take great interest in hearing a report of these words. Greater even than the very law of God enshrined within. (Or at least it used to be). Only one person can be greater than any law of God, and that is the lawgiver.

38 ¶ Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

Jonah was the most powerful and successful of all OT prophets. In all 40 odd chapters of Jeremiah, there is no record of anyone at anytime taking the slightest bit of notice of anything Jeremiah said. Yet Jonah, on the strength of just one or two sermons, converted an entire city of the children of Ishmael totaling maybe 60,000 people. Nineveh. By any standards, that has got to be recorded as a very successful evangelistic campaign. Yet Jesus claimed to be greater than Jonah.
42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.

Solomon was the wisest and wealthiest and most successful of any ruler of the ancient world. Yet Jesus claimed to be greater even than Solomon.

In the three startling claims as shown above, we have before us the threefold ministry of Jesus. Priest, prophet, and King.
Only one entity, the Roman Catholic church, has counterfeited all these 3 ministries, replacing Christ Himself in the mind and hearts of their followers.
A They have created a counterfeit priesthood and earthly sanctuary instead of Christ in the heavenly sanctuary; through this they have created the confessional which replaces true repentance and confession to God with confession to a fallen mortal man, instead of Christ Who is the only Mediator between God and man:
B. A counterfeit system of prophetic understanding (preterism and futurism) replacing historicism, along with a counterfeit teaching authority (the curia and magisterium) replacing the ministry of Christ through the holy Spirit:
C. and a counterfeit kingdom on earth replacing the kingdom of heaven. Through the union of church and state the papacy seeks to establish a kingdom on earth, with the Pope as King, a man made system of dogmas and doctrines as the benchmark of morality, and a new set of commandments that replaces God's law, establishing by the use of the civil power a morality that meets the "common good" rather than the righteousness of Christ.
Nero did not do this.
Antiochus did not do this.
No future individual could possibly do this.
No-one but the Catholic church has even attempted to replace Christ. But this is the true spirit of Antichrist. And scripture in Revelation confirms this even more.

 

[John G.]

An early Christian saint named Hippolytus wrote about the Antichrist.
Satan will mimic God and make the Antichrist a Jew, born of a virgin, with a 3.5 year ministry followed by a "resurrection".
He will be from the tribe of Dan.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Maria,

The Pharisees/Jews were not accepting each other as the King of Israel. They were honoring each other, but not a being the King of Israel. Jesus was saying that He came in the name of the Lord to be their king. But that the Pharisees/Jews were not recognizing Jesus as such.

The Jew have not accepted another as the King of Israel who was ever anointed the King of Israel. There have been false christs, such as Simon bar Kochba. But none of those were ever anointed the King of Israel.

They were speaking of honor. I'm not reading King into the passage.

 

[One God and Father of All]

You are calling the harlot - a "he" ?

Nations are called “she” or “women”, the leaders are “horns”

see Ezekiel 16

The harlot woman is the nation of Isreal. She is shown in her harlotry by being joined with the nations around her to commit adultery with them. In that drawing she is shown as the nation. However, when it speaks of the little horn, the AntiChrist, man of sin, or red dragon it’s speaking specifically of her king in those days.

 

[3 Resurrections]

The Antichrist is widely known about globally. Christians, non-Christians, have heard about him. You are the only person I know of who is claiming the Antichrist to have been some guy named Menahem back in the first century.

Sure, there is plenty of misinformation concerning the Antichrist that has circulated, and is widely known. That does not make it scripturally true.

You have written quite a tangle of unrelated information in your last post to me about every other kind of topic. Let me concentrate on the single focus of this post though. The Antichrist / false christ / Man of Lawlessness was a man who was presently alive in Paul's days. You cannot lift this prediction out of its first-century context without completely altering Paul's message to the Thessalonians.

"He who NOW restrains" was an individual in Paul's days who was keeping the Man of Lawlessness in check from being manifested openly. This means the Antichrist was THEN IN EXISTENCE, as well as his restrainer. These men, both the Antichrist / Man of Lawlessness and his restrainer, cannot possibly have an extended lifespan of 2,000 years and counting. They are not in our own future.

Paul wrote reminding the Thessalonians that he had already spoken to them about these things in person when he was with them. "And NOW ye know what withholdeth", Paul wrote. They were well aware of the identity of both the Man of Lawlessness and his restrainer, because Paul had told them. "Remember ye not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things?", Paul asked them.

John also wrote in 1 John 2:18-19 concerning the prevalence of many antichrist present back in those days. The one single Antichrist that John's reader knew was coming would arise from among those many antichrist that were presently in existence in John's days. "And as ye have heard that Antichrist shall come, EVEN NOW are there many antichrists...", John reminded his readers.

Dougg, your entire system of charts is built on ignoring the time-relevant terms which Paul and every NT writer used in predicting the first-century timing of these things. This has made a convoluted mess of every thing you have listed in your charts. None of it is on target, timewise, and some things you have totally invented out of thin air.

 

[One God and Father of All]

An early Christian saint named Hippolytus wrote about the Antichrist.
Satan will mimic God and make the Antichrist a Jew, born of a virgin, with a 3.5 year ministry followed by a "resurrection".
He will be from the tribe of Dan.

22Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

Jesus is the Messiah, king of the Jews. Appointed so my his Father. On this he made a good confession before Pilate.
God, the Father, was King of the Jews until they rejected Him by wanting a king as the other nations had.

So, who is it that have both rejected(denied)the Father as King and the messiah as King?

 

[Douggg]

Dougg, your entire system of charts is built on ignoring the time-relevant terms which Paul and every NT writer used in predicting the first-century timing of these things.

Paul wrote about the rapture/resurrection in 1Thessalonians4:13-18 and about the world saying "peace and safety" in 1Thessalonians5:2-3.

The rapture/resurrection has not happened yet.

And the world saying "peace and safety" is because the false messianic age, which the world will think the Antichrist is the messiah. That sense of peace and safety will be shattered and the Day of the Lord will suddenly begin.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

In 2Thessalonians2:4, the day of Christ, the day of the Lord, begins when the Antichrist goes into the temple, sits, claims to have achieved God-hood, revealing himself as the man of sin and not the messiah after all.

The rapture/resurrection, the world saying peace and safety, the beginning of the day of the Lord - are not first century events. But end times events.

 

[Douggg]

No-one but the Catholic church has even attempted to replace Christ. But this is the true spirit of Antichrist. And scripture in Revelation confirms this even more.

The pope/papacy is not qualified to be the Antichrist. That person must be a Jew and his religion Judaism in order for the Jews to think he is their long awaited King of Israel messiah.

 

[One God and Father of All]

The pope/papacy is not qualified to be the Antichrist. That person must be a Jew and his religion Judaism in order for the Jews to think he is their long awaited King of Israel messiah.

in the prophecy of Ezekiel, the AntiChrist, man of sin, is spoken of under the name of the king of Tyre.

1The word of the Lord came to me again, saying, 2“Son of man, say to the prince of Tyre, ‘Thus says the Lord God:

“Because your heart is lifted[a] up,
And you say, ‘I am a god,
I sit in the seat of gods,
In the midst of the seas,’
Yet you are a man, and not a god,
Though you set your heart as the heart of a god

Will you still say before him who slays you,
‘I am a god’?
But you shall be a man, and not a god,
In the hand of him who slays you.
10You shall die the death of the uncircumcised
By the hand of aliens;
For I have spoken,” says the Lord God.’ ”


The man of sin will be a circumcised Jewish man. But will die the death of the Gentiles by their hand.

 

[Timtofly]

That video does not answer what the mark of the beast's name is, nor what the 666 meaning to the beast's name is, nor what the beast's name is.

The verse says:

"Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

It never says that this "man" is the beast. That is where all go wrong. That man was Adam. 1 Corinthians 15:21-23

"For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order."

Even those with the mark are part of this sin situation. We see this again in Romans 5:12

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:"

This mark is Adam's mark of death. The beast is the image that represents Satan's Adam the Abomination of Desolation. Once one is marked with Adam's death, that is God removing them from the Lamb's book of life. There is no more redemption or sacrifice for those with the mark.

Daniel 9:27 indicates this time of the mark by stating the Atonement is taken away by taking away the daily sacrifices. The confirming of the Atonement Covenant is to confirm there will be future beheaded souls left on the earth, who do not receive the mark. The only reason Satan gets those 42 months in Revelation 13, after the 7th Trumpet already sounded, is on behalf of those who will be beheaded who choose not to receive the mark.

From Revelation 13, the image is given the name Adam when brought to life. Adam is the man to whom the mark belongs, as that is the mark of death and removal from God's redemption. In Christ all mankind is redeemed, but those given the mark have been removed from that redemption. In Christ those receiving the second birth have been made alive. Those rejecting the second birth start receiving the mark of Adam after the 7th Trumpet sounds during Satan's 42 month empire. That is mankind totally rejecting the Atonement Covenant.

The image is called the beast in later chapters. John never names a human antichrist in the book of Revelation. That is all stuff for Hollywood Movies as was several left behind series of films. The only human was the FP.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Paul wrote about the rapture/resurrection in 1Thessalonians4:13-18 and about the world saying "peace and safety" in 1Thessalonians5:2-3.

The rapture/resurrection has not happened yet.

And the world saying "peace and safety" is because the false messianic age, which the world will think the Antichrist is the messiah. That sense of peace and safety will be shattered and the Day of the Lord will suddenly begin.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

In 2Thessalonians2:4, the day of Christ, the day of the Lord, begins when the Antichrist goes into the temple, sits, claims to have achieved God-hood, revealing himself as the man of sin and not the messiah after all.

The rapture/resurrection, the world saying peace and safety, the beginning of the day of the Lord - are not first century events. But end times events.

Dougg, with this above, it shows you are ducking and dodging the point I was emphasizing. Please stay focused.

Paul in 2 Thess. 2 was speaking of a THEN PRESENT Man of Lawlessness and his restrainer. "He who NOW restrains..." was a PRESENT TENSE reality in Paul's days when the restrainer and the Antichrist / Man of Lawlessness were both then in existence at the time.

You are denying this very clear language of Paul's describing a first-century reality that the Thessalonians knew about because Paul had told them about it in person when he was among them.

Does the word "NOW" mean absolutely nothing to you?