Simple Question!

[pinetree]

Yah know pinetree, you could've warned us to put in our ear plugs before that!

sorry.

 

[nephilimiyr]

Nope sorry mate! Not that simple!

We know that Law exaggerated “SIN”, and it was revealed that “SIN” can exceed the “GRACE” provided by our Lord Jesus Christ, and that “SIN” loses its peril when we compare it with our Lord Jesus Christ.

When we bring simplicity into “GRACE”, that is, since “SIN” is a way that makes “GRACE” abundantly, it doesn’t give us the right to “continue in sin”. After all, if we continue in “SIN”, living in “SIN”, in order to take advantage of “GRACE” would be denying our own identity in our Lord Jesus Christ.

We have died to sin, and made alive in our Lord Jesus Christ, but “SIN” still “reigns” as a problem and is expressed through our “mortal body” by temptation, when we "give place to the devil" and allow ourself to be "devoured".

When we are “under grace”, we fulfil the Law!

But isn't this a case of viewing opposites?

The Poll questions was "Agree or Disagree:

We do not sin so that grace may abound,"

The opposite of saying that is 'We sin so that grace abounds' To me that is therefore saying that sin is what activates grace but in the two verses, and there is more, but in those two verses I posted it shows that sin isn't what activates grace but our faith does.

The second part of the poll question, "but when we sin grace abounds". I see that as being true. Again the opposite would seem to be saying 'if we sin, grace wont abound'. That's a very disheartening statement to make in my opinion.

 

[imperfectchristian]

Oh well...so much for everyone agreeing.

 

[pinetree]

Those who think that we who appreciate grace,think it gives a free pass,have projected their own misunderstanding of the power of God,onto the issue of grace.

Galatians 5:18
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

 

[pinetree]

Oh well...so much for everyone agreeing.

hey,it was an election year..

 

[imperfectchristian]

hey,it was an election year..

You have a point.

 

[nephilimiyr]

Those who think that we who appreciate grace,think it gives a free pass,have projected their own misunderstanding of the power of God,onto the issue of grace.

Galatians 5:18
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

That's very true but how does agreeing with the Poll statement contradict what you just said and what that verse says?

 

[jeolmstead]

I have found in my own life that when I live according to what you describe I find that I do not struggle and actually see the fruits of the Spirit begin to bloom in my life. Ironically, it is various interpretations of passages in the Bible, that cause me to become discouraged from that disposition.

The flesh is strong. It wants its way.

It says, Yes, you were saved by grace, but now don’t mess up! Let me help you!

Look at it this way, if good works can’t save you, how is it now that they can keep you?

And

If good works can’t make you a Christian, how can “Bad” works take away your Christianity?

I was saved by grace, every sin past, present and future when I came to Christ.

Saying I’m sorry to God when I mess up is what I do because I love Him, not because I’m afraid He will reject me if I don’t.

My faith is not in confession, if it is, that is a work, my faith is in Christ. He is my perfection. It is His gift to me.


John O.

 

[pinetree]

But isn't this a case of viewing opposites?

The Poll questions was "Agree or Disagree:

We do not sin so that grace may abound,"

The opposite of saying that is 'We sin so that grace abounds' To me that is therefore saying that sin is what activates grace but in the two verses, and there is more, but in those two verses I posted it shows that sin isn't what activates grace but our faith does.

The second part of the poll question, "but when we sin grace abounds". I see that as being true. Again the opposite would seem to be saying 'if we sin, grace wont abound'. That's a very disheartening statement to make in my opinion.

I agree,grace and faith run hand in hand.

 

[pinetree]

That's very true but how does agreeing with the Poll statement contradict what you just said and what that verse says?

I dont quite getcha??

 

[nephilimiyr]

Oh well...so much for everyone agreeing.

Sometimes the most simplest things are difficult to work out and understand. The gospel is one of those most simplest things, but many misunderstand.

 

[pinetree]

The flesh is strong. It wants its way.

It says, Yes, you were saved by grace, but now don’t mess up! Let me help you!

Look at it this way, if good works can’t save you, how is it now that they can keep you?

And

If good works can’t make you a Christian, how can “Bad” works take away your Christianity?

I was saved by grace, every sin past, present and future when I came to Christ.

Saying I’m sorry to God when I mess up is what I do because I love Him, not because I’m afraid He will reject me if I don’t.

My faith is not in confession, if it is, that is a work, my faith is in Christ. He is my perfection. It is His gift to me.


John O.

Galatians 3:3
Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?


Galatians 5:4
You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

 

[nephilimiyr]

I dont quite getcha??

Wait a minute! That's what I just said to you, in so many words.

 

[pinetree]

Wait a minute! That's what I just said to you, in so many words.

who has known the mind of neph??

 

[Elijah2]

Those who think that we who appreciate grace,think it gives a free pass,have projected their own misunderstanding of the power of God,onto the issue of grace.

Galatians 5:18
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

Yes, and we fulfil the Law.

 

[Elijah2]

Oh well...so much for everyone agreeing.

Oh well, you tried like all before you. We are only human.

 

[nephilimiyr]

who has known the mind of neph??

It does work in mysterious ways sometimes, doesn't it.

 

[pinetree]

Yes, and we fulfil the Law.

Romans 10:4
Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

You cant,He did.

 

[pinetree]

It does work in mysterious ways sometimes, doesn't it.

Great minds are often misunderstood.

 

[Elijah2]

Romans 10:4
Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

You cant,He did.

IF we bear one another's burdens, we fulfil the law of Christ (Gal. 6:2).

If we love one another we fulfil the law (James 1:8).