Simple Question!

[imperfectchristian]

Agree or Disagree:

We do not sin so that grace may abound, but when we sin grace abounds.

 

[dayhiker]

agree

 

[Optimax]

Agree because it is a view supported by scripture.

 

[JimB]

I voted, Yes. I think that passage is to be comfort to us that when we do sin, God’s grace is sufficient.

~Jim

The world is composed of givers and takers. ​

The takers may eat better, but the givers sleep better.​

​

 

[imperfectchristian]

I voted yes.


1st John 2:1-3

1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

 

[mont974x4]

Yes, agreed because it is a biblically solid statement.

 

[imperfectchristian]

I voted, Yes. I think that passage is to be comfort to us that when we do sin, God’s grace is sufficient.

~Jim

The world is composed of givers and takers.


The takers may eat better, but the givers sleep better.​

I think it is more than just a way of comforting us. I think it is a statement of truth.

 

[mont974x4]

IMO Romans 5 and 6 covers this issue quite well.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Yes. The bible tells me so, and it's True.

 

[imperfectchristian]

Could it be...that for once we all agree?

 

[mont974x4]

shhh, don't jinx it

 

[JimB]

Got a Greek Bible? Does the original text of the Bible use the definite article “the” before “Holy Spirit”?

~Jim

The world is composed of givers and takers. ​

The takers may eat better, but the givers sleep better.​

​

 

[nephilimiyr]

Could it be...that for once we all agree?

Well ok then, just for the sake of arguement, I disagree. Yes Mont, he jinxed it! Actually, I'm just kidding, I couldn't agree more!

Our sin is not what activates grace, It's our faith that does that. The way I see the poll question framed, if anyone would disagree with it they would be therefore saying that it's our sin that activates grace, but...

Romans 5:1-2, Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God.

Our sin doesn't gain us access into this grace but our faith does.


Oh, and lets not forget this one:
Ephesians 2:8-9, For it is grace you have been saved, through faith, and this not from ourselves, it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast.

Grace always and only comes through faith, not sin, or anything else for that matter like good deeds or performance of the law.

 

[Faulty]

Romans 6

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid."

 

[pinetree]

no way!!

 

[nephilimiyr]

no way!!

Yah know pinetree, you could've warned us to put in our ear plugs before that!

 

[Elijah2]

Nope sorry mate! Not that simple!

We know that Law exaggerated “SIN”, and it was revealed that “SIN” can exceed the “GRACE” provided by our Lord Jesus Christ, and that “SIN” loses its peril when we compare it with our Lord Jesus Christ.

When we bring simplicity into “GRACE”, that is, since “SIN” is a way that makes “GRACE” abundantly, it doesn’t give us the right to “continue in sin”. After all, if we continue in “SIN”, living in “SIN”, in order to take advantage of “GRACE” would be denying our own identity in our Lord Jesus Christ.

We have died to sin, and made alive in our Lord Jesus Christ, but “SIN” still “reigns” as a problem and is expressed through our “mortal body” by temptation, when we "give place to the devil" and allow ourself to be "devoured".

When we are “under grace”, we fulfil the Law!

 

[jeolmstead]

I would say that the man who continues in willful disobedience knows neither grace nor the Lord of grace.

But, more often the problem is those (like the Galatians) who having once tasted grace, seek now to maintain it by paying for it with the law.

Doing so is just a religious expression of the carnal man.

It is all Grace or its all flesh, they never mix.

Saved by Grace
Kept by Grace
Sanctified by Grace

John O.

 

[imperfectchristian]

I would say that the man who continues in willful disobedience knows neither grace nor the Lord of grace.

But, more often the problem is those (like the Galatians) who having once tasted grace, seek now to maintain it by paying for it with the law.

Doing so is just a religious expression of the carnal man.

It is all Grace or its all flesh, they never mix.

Saved by Grace
Kept by Grace
Sanctified by Grace

John O.

I have found in my own life that when I live according to what you describe I find that I do not struggle and actually see the fruits of the Spirit begin to bloom in my life. Ironically, it is various interpretations of passages in the Bible, that cause me to become discouraged from that disposition.

 

[pinetree]

I would say that the man who continues in willful disobedience knows neither grace nor the Lord of grace.

But, more often the problem is those (like the Galatians) who having once tasted grace, seek now to maintain it by paying for it with the law.

Doing so is just a religious expression of the carnal man.

It is all Grace or its all flesh, they never mix.

Saved by Grace
Kept by Grace
Sanctified by Grace

John O.

Yes,totally agree...

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.