SHOCKER - MOST men Christian men into porn

[rick357]

When Jesus sent the disciples out to cast out demons, He didn't instruct them to cast out Adam??? Demons look for a host in Adam and they can be cast out of Adam and away from him unless they are welcomed....

This is the mystery of iniquity....but it is fine to speak of it in the terms you are using....count me as mistaken....you are 100% correct when you say the answer is Jesus....for one who commits a sin is a slave to sin....and the only liberty that can be found is in him.

 

[standingtall]

That is your personal opinion...

Yes, there is a demonic presence about porn,

...and that is your personal opinion.

 

[crossroad]

Might as well stay with who I have then.

 

[Andrea411]

...and that is your personal opinion.

That would be correct.... hope that helps you

 

[Tenebrae]

Speaking as a former prostitute and pro Domme. These statistics don't surprise me.

I saw many a married man, and more than a few christian males.


XXXchurch.com is an excellent christian ministry for anyone struggling with a porn addiction

 

[Tenebrae]

Dont know if anyones seen the controversy about John Grisham who (while that may not have his intent) came across as condoning the use of child pornography, infering that it is a victimless crime.

I recommend this you tube clip 'Constance'. Its a very challenging watch but underscores the point that watching pornography is not victimless.

 

[Messy]

...and that is your personal opinion.

If the people who are addicted to it could just see the demons they'd be so disgusted that they'd be delivered from this whole thing immediately. It's like being addicted to candy and then see that they make it from pig noses. I knew a guy who worked in such a factory, he never ate it again.
My ex was tempted by it for a period when we were married and God gave me a dream. I saw three women, well, not women, but demons who dressed and looked like women and they were just so ugly and so fake, the blond hair was fake and it were male demons, but he just walked after them and I thought: how can he not see it? So I rebuked those and sent them out of the house and he told me he wasn't tempted anymore. I never saw it personal, like: he doesn't love me enough, he thinks they are prettier and better, I just knew it were demons.

 

[Messy]

watching pornography is not victimless.

A lot of kids get to see it too and then they get addicted. I see that as child abuse.

 

[jiminpa]

Hmmm.... We wrestle not against flesh and blood. Don't give the devil a foothold. Those statements were written to Christians. Porn is spiritual, just like depression and many other things that the Western church puts up with. I don't say that to condemn anyone, but we can't be free or even help someone else get free if we won't admit the problem.

 

[~RENEE~]

As someone that has been addicted to porn I can honestly tell you it is a demon. No not possession but oppression.

The difference is possession is in YOU. Oppression is ON YOU. And yes you do need deliverance from an oppression.

 

[mrhappy3]

How long do ou have to leave the 'door open' before something gets a grip of you. A small, short peak surely won't do it....so it must be a constant un-restrained effort. I suppose it goes for everything. AND, can you deliver yourself ?

 

[rick357]

How long do ou have to leave the 'door open' before something gets a grip of you. A small, short peak surely won't do it....so it must be a constant un-restrained effort. I suppose it goes for everything. AND, can you deliver yourself ?

Adam and woman were doomed from the time the serpent opened his mouth....why? Because he was drawing out of them what was already in them unspoken....the rest was just the process...
As with them so with their children when desire for self to be satisfied is presant it is allready to late....notice Paul spoke of minding the things of the Spirit...for to be carnaly minded is death....the death comes long before a visable sin takes place.

 

[RDKirk]

I think we are born with a carnal nature and carry this throughout our lives. I can feed my ego, choose to participate in gossip, steal from others and do numerous other things.

I believe in each second, each moment of our lives we are choosing. In this one second, one moment will I be carnal or will I be spiritual. I don't think that we can be both at the same time.

When we choose or let ourselves be carnal, we are feeding the big machine of 'self'. We may be tempted by a spirit or demon, but I'm not sure what it can exactly force us to do that we don't somehow give in to the temptation presented.

Did the television demon attach itself to me last night as I watched the Jimmy Kimmel Show? Did the demon of frustration with your teen child overcome my senses as I told my son 'no'. Does the demon of lie to your boss to get a sick day occur when it's 70 degrees and sunny? Did the demon of pharmaceuticals overtake me when I took that dose of Nyquil?

I just don't see the same possession, exorcism or deliverance things that everyone else sees. If your possessed by a demon, doesn't that demon take control over you and FORCE you to do things?

When is it a demon vs. my own carnal nature (flesh) that I've given into and sinned?

Our inner struggle is with our flesh.

However, our flesh responds to the world and Satan, who is the god of the world, knows the characteristics of our flesh very well. Satan and his demons do what the military calls "preparation of the battlefield."

 

[Andrea411]

How long do ou have to leave the 'door open' before something gets a grip of you. A small, short peak surely won't do it....so it must be a constant un-restrained effort. I suppose it goes for everything. AND, can you deliver yourself ?

Some people will be addicted to heroine after the first use. Others have taken it for years and stopped with no problem. Everyone responds differently.

Derek Prince does a lot of teaching on generational curses and the ways we permit demons to have a legal footing in our lives. Through disobedience to the Lord's ways, when we know we are in sin and do it anyway. But also there is a certain amount of authority a parent has over their child, that would continue in all spiritual realms.
When we come to Christ and we receive all He has for us, which includes authority over demons, we can be set free but either through ignorance or disobedience we, christians, are often beset by sins, we could be rid of if we would take our relationship and authority in Christ seriously.

 

[RDKirk]

Adam and woman were doomed from the time the serpent opened his mouth....why? Because he was drawing out of them what was already in them unspoken....the rest was just the process...
As with them so with their children when desire for self to be satisfied is presant it is allready to late....notice Paul spoke of minding the things of the Spirit...for to be carnaly minded is death....the death comes long before a visable sin takes place.

Was it you or someone else a few months ago who pointed out the obvious (once seen!) parallel between Genesis 3:6 and 1 John 2:16.

For everything in the world--the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life--comes not from the Father but from the world. -- 1 John 2:16

When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food [lust of the flesh] and pleasing to the eye [lust of the eyes], and also desirable for gaining wisdom [pride of life], she took some and ate it..

 

[Andrea411]

A lot of kids get to see it too and then they get addicted. I see that as child abuse.

Unfortunately with cable tv some children are being sexually abused just by being allowed to watch TV. The sexualization of an entire generation will soon bear its ugly fruit. It began in the 70's but has ravaged this past generation .... when the STD rate for 15- 18 yrs olds is 20% at any time????

20 percent of people in the US has an STD.
50 percent of sexually active youths will contract an STD by 25.
20 percent of high-school girls have an STD.
1 in 5 people over 12 have genital herpes as a result of type one or two herpes, though most genital herpes are from type two.
Only around 10 to 25 percent of people infected with genital herpes know they have it.
15 new STDs are reported by porn actors and actresses each week.
Chlamydia is the most common STD. Women are three times more likely to be infected than men; however, it is thought to be due to the higher number of women screened for it.
HIV is the least common with 20,000 new cases per year.

 

[rick357]

Was it you or someone else a few months ago who pointed out the obvious (once seen!) parallel between Genesis 3:6 and 1 John 2:16.

For everything in the world--the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life--comes not from the Father but from the world. -- 1 John 2:16

When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food [lust of the flesh] and pleasing to the eye [lust of the eyes], and also desirable for gaining wisdom [pride of life], she took some and ate it..

It may have been me as I have held that understanding for some time.

 

[Andrea411]

I think we are born with a carnal nature and carry this throughout our lives. I can feed my ego, choose to participate in gossip, steal from others and do numerous other things.

I believe in each second, each moment of our lives we are choosing. In this one second, one moment will I be carnal or will I be spiritual. I don't think that we can be both at the same time.

When we choose or let ourselves be carnal, we are feeding the big machine of 'self'. We may be tempted by a spirit or demon, but I'm not sure what it can exactly force us to do that we don't somehow give in to the temptation presented.

Did the television demon attach itself to me last night as I watched the Jimmy Kimmel Show? Did the demon of frustration with your teen child overcome my senses as I told my son 'no'. Does the demon of lie to your boss to get a sick day occur when it's 70 degrees and sunny? Did the demon of pharmaceuticals overtake me when I took that dose of Nyquil?

I just don't see the same possession, exorcism or deliverance things that everyone else sees. If your possessed by a demon, doesn't that demon take control over you and FORCE you to do things?

When is it a demon vs. my own carnal nature (flesh) that I've given into and sinned?

Derek Prince is a very good teacher about demonic activity in a Christian's life. Very scriptural, no antics or hysterics. He has a number of excellent teachings on You Tube. There is a big difference between a curse, oppression and possession. It wouldn't do the subject justice to explain it short hand, D.P. videos are about an hour.
I think his thinking is we give demons the right to afflict us and the Lord allows it bc we do. Sometimes unfortunately, unknowingly through things like Ouija or Yoga. But more bc of ignorance of the scriptures. We have freedom through Christ. Too many people just don't know it.

I think it is very helpful to see deliverance as part of the Lord's healing ministry. When the Lord sent the disciples out to heal and deliver people, the focus on only deliverance seems to take the focus off of Christ. My thought is to always pray for healing and in that I always pray for deliverance from any curses, generation or familial and for deliverance from any demons trying to oppress an individual.
IDK if all illness comes as a result of demonic activity but if done with gentleness and quietly, deliverance does not have to be anything more than a prayer for complete healing in all areas and added blessings and requests for favor and protection over the person being prayed for...

 

[Joy]

Derek Prince is a very good teacher about demonic activity in a Christian's life. Very scriptural, no antics or hysterics. He has a number of excellent teachings on You Tube. There is a big difference between a curse, oppression and possession. It wouldn't do the subject justice to explain it short hand, D.P. videos are about an hour.
I think his thinking is we give demons the right to afflict us and the Lord allows it bc we do. Sometimes unfortunately, unknowingly through things like Ouija or Yoga. But more bc of ignorance of the scriptures. We have freedom through Christ. Too many people just don't know it.

I think it is very helpful to see deliverance as part of the Lord's healing ministry. When the Lord sent the disciples out to heal and deliver people, the focus on only deliverance seems to take the focus off of Christ. My thought is to always pray for healing and in that I always pray for deliverance from any curses, generation or familial and for deliverance from any demons trying to oppress an individual.
IDK if all illness comes as a result of demonic activity but if done with gentleness and quietly, deliverance does not have to be anything more than a prayer for complete healing in all areas and added blessings and requests for favor and protection over the person being prayed for...

I agree with you

 

[gideons300]

I'm not easily shocked and I was already aware there was a real problem within the church with this issue but I was truly stunned at the actually percentages.
1)This is not the place for true confessions. I think men need to discuss their private sexual problems with other men
(if you have a problem this organization may help you address it...
PROVEN Men | Christ-centered help for men struggling with pornography and sexually addictive behaviors)

2) The implications are astounding. To question that the Christian church is NOT in a LUKEWARM condition is beyond dispute.


Shocker: Study Shows Most Christian Men Are Into Porn (to read the whole article)

The statistics for Christian men between 18 and 30 years old are particularly striking:

77 percent look at pornography at least monthly.
36 percent view pornography on a daily basis.
32 percent admit being addicted to pornography (and another 12 percent think they may be).
The statistics for middle-aged Christian men (ages 31 to 49) are no less disturbing:

77 percent looked at pornography while at work in the past three months.
64 percent view pornography at least monthly.
18 percent admit being addicted to pornography (and another 8 percent think they may be).

...

Those who identify themselves as born-again Christians have similar struggles with pornography and affairs:

95 percent admit that they have viewed pornography.
54 percent look at pornography at least once a month.
44 percent viewed pornography at work in the last 90 days.
31 percent had a sexual affair while married.
25 percent erase Internet browsing history to conceal pornography use.
18 percent admit being addicted to pornography (and another 9 percent think they may be).

This is truly sad and the far reaching effects are staggering. The personal damage, the relational damage and the long term effects to marriages, children and the diseases and unwanted resulting pregnancies and abortions....

Porn also has a huge effect on the sex workers, they too are victims often victims in many ways.

I was surprised that so many have this problem yet don't understand the root is their relationship with Christ is not healthy. People who know who they are in Christ, walk in righteousness. I don't judge people bc their sins are different then mine. We all struggle to become who we should be in Christ. None of us will be perfect until He comes.

One thing I would like to see is young people being warned of the effects of long term porn watching. There are chemical reactions, much like drugs or gambling that occur and when they occur too often the body seeks a level of normalcy... the physiological results are devastating.

In November 2004, a panel of experts testified before a Senate subcommittee that a product which millions of Americans consume is dangerously addictive. They were talking about pornography.

The effects of porn on the brain were called "toxic" and compared to cocaine. One psychologist claimed "prolonged exposure to pornography stimulates a preference for depictions of group sex, sadomasochistic practices, and sexual contact with animals."
Is Pornography Addictive?
http://www.webmd.com/balance/features/new-addictions

We need to get serious about our relationship with Christ, the Holy Spirit within us.... this does not speak well for the church at large and it grieves me but it also makes me wonder where the rest of us are getting it wrong. Where is our victory in Christ?

Hi Andrea. As disturbing as it is, what is more disturbing is our lack of questioning as to WHY this is.

Has God not promised us that He will cause us to walk in obedience, to will and to do of His good pleasure?

Has He not said that sin shall not have dominion over us?

Has He not promised to not let us be tempted above our ability to resist it?

Are we not told that no weapon formed against us shall prosper?

Have we not been equipped with armor and a shield of faith that will quench ALL the fiery arrows of the enemy?

To all the above, yes, God has told us that these are the blessings of the new covenant, and both smart and slow of understanding, but weak and strong, all can stare down the temptations of the enemy and walk as overcomers. These are the promises of God that, if believed, will work, no matter how bound we are.

So if these things be so, promises from a God who cannot lie, and they are, then where is the disconnect? Where is the breach in the wall that is allowing satan access to keep us enslaved to sin? When we dig deep, and do not rationalize away all these things.... when we say to each other "These things ought not be so!", it is then we will finally be prepared to discover the answer.

Being addicted to porn, as I was for 38 years as a believer, I know what this does to one's life, to one's marriage, to one's joy. I also know what an amazing experience it is to be able to stand in victory, a victory I did not earn nor merit in any way, and be able to say to the tempter "NO", not with trembling and uncertainty, but with joy unspeakable and full of glory.

There is a solution for even the worst porn addict here, and yes, the worst gossip or covetous among us. But until we believe God can indeed set us free indeed, despite our human frailty, and accept nothing less, we will see more and more in the body fall into sins both large and small, both hidden and public.

Desperation and brokenness are the soil wherewith our seeds of faith will sprout to overcoming life. Are we hungry enough? Do we hate our old life to where we truly long to be free of our old nature? When we do, this is the heart that pleases God. This is where He rolls up His sleeves and shows HIMSELF strong.... in us.

Blessings,

Gids