Salt Domes - another Bane of Creationism

[Valkhorn]

There is a lake that has been doing just this continuously for thousands of years- the Dead Sea.

Yup. A pretty specatcular place I'd love to visit some day:

 

[A4C]

So could somebody tell me how all the salt on a salt lake accumulates in a pile in the centre so that sediment could form over it and the salt could then push its way up through a few kilometres of solid rock. It all sounds like a good story just to fill the pages of the kiddies science books but carries as much scientific relevance as the cow jumping over the moon story

 

[Valkhorn]

So could somebody tell me how all the salt on a salt lake accumulates in a pile in the centre so that sediment could form over it and the salt could then push its way up through a few kilometres of solid rock.

It doesn't. You obviously haven't been listening. It starts with a flat plane of salt or bed of salt and the pressure accumulates and usually the salt looks for a way out and up, eventually it finds one or several. These are called salt domes.

It all sounds like a good story just to fill the pages of the kiddies science books but carries as much scientific relevance as the cow jumping over the moon story

No. It has plenty of actual evidence (like fossils around it, radiometric dating of the layers, etc.) whereas your fairy tale of a global flood has none.

You may want to start doing some homework there.

 

[A4C]

It doesn't. You obviously haven't been listening. It starts with a flat plane of salt or bed of salt and the pressure accumulates and usually the salt looks for a way out and up, eventually it finds one or several. These are called salt domes.



No. It has plenty of actual evidence (like fossils around it, radiometric dating of the layers, etc.) whereas your fairy tale of a global flood has none.

You may want to start doing some homework there.

So has there been laboratory controlled replication of this phenomenon?

 

[flatworm]

So has there been laboratory controlled replication of this phenomenon?

I see you're tacitly ignoring the URLs I posted earlier. I'm guessing you still haven't bothered to read up on what a rheid is. The plastic deformation of rocks is a fact. Once you accept that it's unavoidable that you will find lighter rocks being forced up through heavier ones. The higher the dome gets, the less weight of rock there is above the dome while the same pressure exists on the original salt deposit below.

Salt domes are unavoidable given deep time and plastic deformation, both of which are independently confirmed.

Salt domes are impossible in global flood conditions, which have already been independently falsified.

 

[JPAM]

"So has there been laboratory controlled replication of this phenomenon?"

has there been laboratory replication of a selectively permeable (although this part of your model seems to change with your mood) mat of trees covering the entire globe, which then traps water, and simulataneously supporting "thousands" of kilometres of sediment, (which incidently folks, came from NOWHERE!) which ingeniusly sorted itself out in order of the proportion of decayed elements (so as to appear older at the bottom) and then this water went into voids (like craters, oh wait they are on mars too, was there a global flood there too?!?!?) and/or evapourated, leaving bulbous domes of salt, er, and then the trillions of tonnes of sediment at some undesignated time and without any reason collapses into tens of kilometre deep voids, conviently still retaining there isotpic compostion, and distinct layering. then trees turned to oil in just a few thousand years? go on prove it.

We dont need to prove our stance, because our "ridiculous" and "unbeleivable" model is somehow propping up a trillion$ industry, our entire economy and powering your computer! accept the truth. when has oil ever been found by virtue of locationg biblical voids? NEVER. BECAUSE THEY DONT EXIST.

 

[Baggins]

Another total destruction of YEC.

It is plain for all to see that one person on this thread was making things up while all the others were providing evidence.

It gives me a warm glow I tell you

 

[dad]

Another total destruction of YEC.

It is plain for all to see that one person on this thread was making things up while all the others were providing evidence.

It gives me a warm glow I tell you

I wouldn't get too lifted up slaying flood geology strawman dragons.
Flood geology is not the only YEC approach. It was an attempt to explain things.
A different past does the job nicely. All the salt is handily explained, and fits the evidence, because it did come up from below, as we see in the thread example here.

"How do Sediments Become Sedimentary Rocks?
To become a sedimentary rock, sediments must be lithified, or cemented into stone. As sediments pile atop other sediments, the earliest deposits become deeply buried. Weight of overlying sediment places pressure on those below. Sediment under pressure compacts. The tighter the sediment is squeezed, the less room there is for water or air between grains and grains to stick together. Something else has to happen to turn these sediments into rock.
Cementation is the word given to the sticking together of sediments by additional material between grains. Water flowing between grains contain silica, carbonate or other dissolved materials that precipitate out of solution and attach to grain surfaces. Eventually, enough mineral precipitates out that it cements grains into a whole. "

http://www.nps.gov/archive/brca/geodetect/Rocks & Minerals/sedementary.htm

So, in a past where a new planet may have been less tightly packed down, and where gravity as we know it did not exist, it is easy to see how water could come up from below. It is also easy to envision it carrying things up with it from below.

With a universe law state change, and/or a world of water squeezing down, I see no surprise at all that some salt domes were pushed up!

"Salt domes are vertical diapirs or pipe-like masses of salt that have been essentially "squeezed up" from underlying salt beds by mobilization due to the weight of overlying rock. Salt domes contain anhydrite, gypsum, and native sulfur,.."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halite

[And, a little off topic, but related interesting point is the gypsum thing. I was wondering where they may have gotten so much gypsum to cover the pyramids with!!!! (That is something they used to "date" the pyramids) No fire, and burning forests in the dessert needed! The first peoples after the split, and flood may have had lots of the stuff around???]

The plot thickens.

 

[A4C]

Of course the gypsium/limestone for the pyramids came from the Flood. Where else?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Flood geology is not the only YEC approach. It was an attempt to explain things.
A different past does the job nicely.

But the pixies explain it much better -- prettier, too.

 

[dad]

But the pixies explain it much better -- prettier, too.

No, your fairies really can't do that. There was water down there.
"The tighter the sediment is squeezed, the less room there is for water or air between grains and grains to stick together. Something else has to happen to turn these sediments into rock.
Cementation is the word given to the sticking together of sediments by additional material between grains. Water flowing between grains contain silica, carbonate or other dissolved materials that precipitate out of solution and attach to grain surfaces. "

..Nothing about your pixies there.

 

[Nathan Poe]

No, your fairies really can't do that. There was water down there.

The pixies put it there. Prove they didn't.

"The tighter the sediment is squeezed, the less room there is for water or air between grains and grains to stick together. Something else has to happen to turn these sediments into rock.
Cementation is the word given to the sticking together of sediments by additional material between grains. Water flowing between grains contain silica, carbonate or other dissolved materials that precipitate out of solution and attach to grain surfaces. "

..Nothing about your pixies there.

They're stuck in the Pixiless box. Why is your thinking so limited to the Pixieless-Only?