Russia preparing imminent incursion into Ukraine?

[Lukaris]

"Liberation"

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This is so sad especially to see communities of people, who had a decent enough standard of living ( on a world scale I think) and most likely shared it’s resources to help others, now destroyed or reduced to poverty.

I have always had an interest in World War II history and had always believed it would at least not repeat itself where it happened. A major current example is the city of Kharkiv which changed hands like 3 times during WW II.

Lord, have mercy.

 

[rusmeister]

One observation - on spelling. I am well familiar with the new idea that we should change our conventions of English spelling of well-known and long-established cities like Kiev, ostensibly because the Russians supposedly pushed that spelling on us and it somehow “oppresses” the people who live there. Only that is stupid thinking, driven by political motives. The conventions are ENGLISH, not Russian, spelling made up and admitted by our ancestors, and not Russians. (This goes for changes in modern language in general, by the way) I realize that under the influence of the mass media people tend to repeat what they hear and see, so I especially don’t blame younger people. But for older people, who knew one term or one spelling and form of a name all their lives, whether it was “sex”, or “Kiev” or “Bombay” (or “Constantinople”!) to change how they speak and write after a lifetime of established habit of convention, it shows that media influence is mightier than those lifelong habits. So, no, I’m not going to change he spelling of Kharkov, or Lvov, just because our masters command it, or the spell-checker tells me to change it, as it just did with Lvov. I value and respect the conventions established by my ancestors more than that. It has NOTHING to do with Russian aspirations and everything to do with not wanting to be a sheeple, learning to see when people are trying to manipulate me without any actual thinking going on.

 

[tapi]

Another UOC-MP temple ruined by Russian shelling in Bobryk, Ukraine.

Archimandrite John (Shevchenko) says that approximately half an hour after the service, a projectile hit the roof of the temple and exploded in its central part.

"Thank God no one was hurt. At this time, parishioners and children were already drinking tea in the church building nearby. The children were frightened, fell to the floor, began to cry."

 

[Albion]

But for older people, who knew one term or one spelling and form of a name all their lives, whether it was “sex”, or “Kiev” or “Bombay” (or “Constantinople”!) to change how they speak and write after a lifetime of established habit of convention, it shows that media influence is mightier than those lifelong habits.

So, no, I’m not going to change he spelling of Kharkov, or Lvov, just because our masters command it, or the spell-checker tells me to change it, as it just did with Lvov.

and that goes for the pronunciations, too.

By the way, the revised and more authentic pronunciations only apply where the powers-that-be decide, isn't that so? The same people aren't saying "This is your correspondent reporting from the Eiffel Tower in Pareee."

 

[seashale76]

Another UOC-MP temple ruined by Russian shelling in Bobryk, Ukraine.

Archimandrite John (Shevchenko) says that approximately half an hour after the service, a projectile hit the roof of the temple and exploded in its central part.

"Thank God no one was hurt. At this time, parishioners and children were already drinking tea in the church building nearby. The children were frightened, fell to the floor, began to cry."

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Please provide a link to the source. I would like to read more about this.

 

[tapi]

Please provide a link to the source. I would like to read more about this.

https://news.church.ua/2022/03/05/v...v-xram-v-seli-bobrik-borispilskoji-jeparxiji/

 

[tapi]

The "funniest" (in actuality, it's rather sad) is that even the clergy and faithful of the UOC-MP are trying to persuade Russians that there are, in fact, no Nazis in Ukraine to fight, and that they are fighting the whole country now. But they choose not to believe it. For this, they will give account both in this life and the life to come, especially the promulgators of the lies, such as Kirill. And we cannot exclude even those in our midst, who work to advance lies through outlets such as Orthochristian. What good will it be to say one just followed orders, if you know you are spreading lies, while people, including children, are being killed?

 

[Jesus4Madrid]

The "funniest" (in actuality, it's rather sad) is that even the clergy and faithful of the UOC-MP are trying to persuade Russians that there are, in fact, no Nazis in Ukraine to fight, and that they are fighting the whole country now. But they choose not to believe it. For this, they will give account both in this life and the life to come, especially the promulgators of the lies, such as Kirill.

Do you mean Metropolitan Kirill? Whatever you feelings for him, he is an Orthodox hierarch and thus he merits to be called by his proper name.

Where has Metropolitan Kirill said that there are “Nazis in Ukraine to fight”?

 

[tapi]

Do you mean Metropolitan Kirill? Whatever you feelings for him, he is an Orthodox hierarch and thus he merits to be called by his proper name.

Where has Metropolitan Kirill said that there are “Nazis in Ukraine to fight”?

See basically all of his sermons in the last few weeks. He is parroting Putin's narrative, which has led to mass protest in Ukraine against him (in the UOC-MP, which according to Kirill and Putin are being murdered by the so-called Nationalists/Fascists/Nazis). Today, a parish in Amsterdam also ceased his commemoration:

"Today Patriarch Kirill spoke out about the war. In a circular letter he offered a prayer for peace which places the sole responsibility for the war with foreign powers (“Rebuke the foreign nations that are longing for war and that are arming themselves against holy Rus, and overthrow their designs”). The prayer also asks to “instruct those in authority to all good things.”

We distance ourselves from Patriarch Kirill’s narrative. In the light of the above we will no longer mention the name of Patriarch Kirill in the divine services. In doing so, we align ourselves with the Orthodox clergy of Ukraine, who in ever greater numbers are ceasing to commemorate Patriarch Kirill”.

If you have any questions about this statement, please let us know at office@orthodox-amsterdam.nl"

And yes, he does remain a patriarch, for now. If Putin goes down, so goes Kirill, and unless he repents, which I genuinely pray for, he will end his life deposed and outside the Church, most likely imprisoned.

 

[Platina]

The "funniest" (in actuality, it's rather sad) is that even the clergy and faithful of the UOC-MP are trying to persuade Russians that there are, in fact, no Nazis in Ukraine to fight, and that they are fighting the whole country now. But they choose not to believe it. For this, they will give account both in this life and the life to come, especially the promulgators of the lies, such as Kirill. And we cannot exclude even those in our midst, who work to advance lies through outlets such as Orthochristian. What good will it be to say one just followed orders, if you know you are spreading lies, while people, including children, are being killed?

God forgives and I forgive.

 

[tapi]

God forgives and I forgive.

I was out of line. Forgive me, as well, and I beg alongside those of the UOC-MP and whole Ukraine; whatever little is possible while accounting for all the complexities of the situation, please do.

 

[Nick1000]

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"My mother is more worried about how to get food for her dog and cats than for herself, but she called me the other day just to happily announce that she had managed to buy two loaves of bread! This is in a city where food used to be available in great abundance."



BBC Ukrainian editor: 'My mother called to say she'd managed to buy bread'

 

[F.E.A.R.]

See basically all of his sermons in the last few weeks. He is parroting Putin's narrative, which has led to mass protest in Ukraine against him (in the UOC-MP, which according to Kirill and Putin are being murdered by the so-called Nationalists/Fascists/Nazis). Today, a parish in Amsterdam also ceased his commemoration:

"Today Patriarch Kirill spoke out about the war. In a circular letter he offered a prayer for peace which places the sole responsibility for the war with foreign powers (“Rebuke the foreign nations that are longing for war and that are arming themselves against holy Rus, and overthrow their designs”). The prayer also asks to “instruct those in authority to all good things.”

We distance ourselves from Patriarch Kirill’s narrative. In the light of the above we will no longer mention the name of Patriarch Kirill in the divine services. In doing so, we align ourselves with the Orthodox clergy of Ukraine, who in ever greater numbers are ceasing to commemorate Patriarch Kirill”.

If you have any questions about this statement, please let us know at office@orthodox-amsterdam.nl"

And yes, he does remain a patriarch, for now. If Putin goes down, so goes Kirill, and unless he repents, which I genuinely pray for, he will end his life deposed and outside the Church, most likely imprisoned.

8 years of silence done by the neo-nazis killing Russian civilians.

War crimes committed in Donbass - Graphic Content

I don't like Patriarch Kiril, however neither him or Putin is going down. This war in Ukraine is because of USA meddling to expand NATO and murders committed 8 years by the neo-nazi military units.

So stop saying that there were no neo-nazi war crimes committed.

 

[Nick1000]

"
Clutching a mobile phone number of a woman she had never met, Nataliya Ableyeva crossed the border from Ukraine into Hungary entrusted with a precious cargo: a stranger’s children."


At the Ukrainian border, a mother brings a stranger’s children to safety

 

[E.C.]

That's your mind's perception of a Trump supporter? I did a thorough search, and I can't find where Trump ever advocated for chastity belts or any of that other stuff.

I would like to point out the unobserved use of hyperbole which clearly went over your head. I mention chastity belts to point out the extreme side of conservatism which too many Orthodox, especially seminarians, are subscribing to in reaction to how crazily liberal their surrounding society has become. The pro-life crowd has a tendency to blame women, but not place any responsibility on men; however, that is a discussion for another day and another thread.

Wow. Never heard of that. It's the total opposite at Holy Cross GO Seminary.

I think you're using hyperbole, E.C., because I don't know any people who voted for Trump that I know (some family members/ex-family members and friends) think on those subjects you mentioned as you say they do.

Don't know about the Culture Wars, but the whole world and cosmos is impacted by what His Body does, whether evil or holy. That's part of Orthodox teaching.

Thank you for catching my use of hyperbole which clearly seems to be a lost art these days


I mention the Culture Wars because unfortunately being in the DC area things are more political than most places. And unfortunately along with that while there has been a growth in Orthodoxy due to the pandemic, far too many in this area are converting because of culture war related things, and they don't let that baggage go. There's not much I miss about the West Coast, but the political neutrality in Orthodox parish life is one of them.

 

[Dorothea]

I would like to point out the unobserved use of hyperbole which clearly went over your head. I mention chastity belts to point out the extreme side of conservatism which too many Orthodox, especially seminarians, are subscribing to in reaction to how crazily liberal their surrounding society has become. The pro-life crowd has a tendency to blame women, but not place any responsibility on men; however, that is a discussion for another day and another thread.



Thank you for catching my use of hyperbole which clearly seems to be a lost art these days


I mention the Culture Wars because unfortunately being in the DC area things are more political than most places. And unfortunately along with that while there has been a growth in Orthodoxy due to the pandemic, far too many in this area are converting because of culture war related things, and they don't let that baggage go. There's not much I miss about the West Coast, but the political neutrality in Orthodox parish life is one of them.

Ah. I thought we lost a lot of Orthodox during the pandemic. I know some GOC's have lost many. In any case, thanks for the info. I didn't know about that, so I appreciate your comments here.

 

[Chesterton]

I would like to point out the unobserved use of hyperbole which clearly went over your head. I mention chastity belts to point out the extreme side of conservatism which too many Orthodox, especially seminarians, are subscribing to in reaction to how crazily liberal their surrounding society has become. The pro-life crowd has a tendency to blame women, but not place any responsibility on men; however, that is a discussion for another day and another thread.

Okay.

In the 5th century B.C. there was a rabble-rousing Athenian, a politician named Hyperbolus, who often made exaggerated promises and claims that whipped people into a frenzy. But even though it sounds appropriate, Hyperbolus' name did not play a role in the development of the modern English word hyperbole. That noun does come to us from Greek (by way of Latin), but from the Greek verb hyperballein, meaning "to exceed," not from the name of the Athenian demagogue. Hyperballeinitself was formed from hyper-, meaning "beyond," and ballein, "to throw."​

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

8 years of silence done by the neo-nazis killing Russian civilians.

War crimes committed in Donbass - Graphic Content

I don't like Patriarch Kiril, however neither him or Putin is going down. This war in Ukraine is because of USA meddling to expand NATO and murders committed 8 years by the neo-nazi military units.

So stop saying that there were no neo-nazi war crimes committed.

Looks like a mix of AZOV and some other group(s). AZOV is a Ukrainian Nationalist group. Their emblem does have NAZI symbols on it.

 

[tapi]

On March 7, 2022, two ancient churches in the Zhytomyr and Kyiv regions were destroyed, and a church and a monastery in Chernihiv were damaged by shelling caused by Russian aggression, according to the UOC's Information and Education Department.

Tonight, March 7, in the village of Vyazivka in the Zhytomyr Region, the Church of the Blessed Virgin of the Ovruch Eparchy of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, built in 1862, was destroyed.

According to the secretary of the Ovruch eparchy, deacon Serhiy Stretovych, the church was completely destroyed, only the bell tower survived. Thank God there are no human casualties. “They shot at houses, and one shell was aimed directly at the dome of the church... The fence of the church was shot with a machine gun. Thank God that no one was there, "said the rector of the church, Archpriest Petro Kotyuk.

https://video-hel3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t42.1790-2/275329264_350747416964428_7911658728556986141_n.mp4?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=985c63&efg=eyJybHIiOjU2MSwicmxhIjo1MTIsInZlbmNvZGVfdGFnIjoic3ZlX3NkIn0=&_nc_ohc=AC85cXdMrMEAX9EaEfF&rl=561&vabr=312&_nc_ht=video-hel3-1.xx&edm=AGo2L-IEAAAA&oh=00_AT-KKabidHfrPijelcBz5vIXYAzCMGvM7zq36_udzU4fEQ&oe=62263236

 

[Nick1000]

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"They were on their knees on the platform," Maksymenko said. "There was no room. There were people standing in every space, in every gangway, there were five people on every bed."




Chaos and tears as thousands try to catch a train out of Ukraine