Right Faith...vs...Wrong Faith

[Aviel]

Good day,

Paul is very clear...

2Th 3:1 Finally, brothers, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may speed ahead and be honored, as happened among you,
2Th 3:2 and that we may be delivered from wicked and evil men. For not all have faith.

Everyone Has a "measure of Faith", but not everyone turns that faith to Christ.

For example, an Atheist has faith.....They have faith that God does not exist.

A Muslim has faith, but not in the Father of Jesus The Christ.

See that?

EVERYONE has "a measure of Faith" but not all have FAITH IN CHRIST< Paul explains.

Unbelievers = For not all men have Faith in Christ.

So, in Paul's life, it was Jewish unbelievers who had no faith in Christ.. who stoned Him, and Gentile unbelievers who harmed Him.

Currently in Israel "those who have no faith"......meaning, no faith in Christ".. just killed 1500 Jews, because their faith in their Quran' sent them to murder.

 

[Aviel]

Yes indeed Jesus the son of God is the only way to eternal life, those who believe must also follow his teachings.

Blessings.

All the born again are to '""""" I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service."""""

And some do.

 

[Aviel]

Sounds like a personal problem to me.

Where do we find "TULIP" in Calvin's writings.
I must have missed that word somehow.

Calvin had a lot more then just personal problems.

And had you missed it, you would not be a Calvinist.

Tulip?

TULIP, which states Calvins five essential doctrines of : Total depravity, Unconditional election, Limited atonement, Irresistible grace, and Perseverance of the Saints

 

[Clare73]

Totally responsive.
Also there is a vast difference between those who follow the law and those who understand why.

No response to:

Good orthodox Jews who deny Jesus Christ obey the law as superior to their own will, and they are neither saved nor in God's kingdom.

 

[Clare73]

Calvin had a lot more then just personal problems.

And had you missed it, you would not be a Calvinist.

Tulip?

TULIP, which states Calvins five essential doctrines of : Total depravity, Unconditional election, Limited atonement, Irresistible grace, and Perseverance of the Saints

I didn't see "TULIP" anywhere the writings of Calvin that I read.

 

[Clare73]

that is a lame excuse, these good orthodox jews reject Christ! it is on that major fault that they are condemned also they
do not follow the law as they should, with the heart also a major sin.

How many orthodox Jews do you know?

 

[timothyu]

Good orthodox Jews who deny Jesus Christ obey the law as superior to their own will, and they are neither saved nor in God's kingdom.

Which is why I said 'Also there is a vast difference between those who follow the law and those who understand why.'

 

[Clare73]

Which is why I said 'Also there is a vast difference between those who follow the law and those who understand why.'

Scripture presents no difference in the outcomes of the two, for salvation is not about understanding why, it's about faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[timothyu]

Scripture presents no difference in the outcomes of the two, for salvation is not about understanding why, it's about faith in Jesus Christ.

If you have faith in Jesus then you have faith in the law. The law simply means put God's will ahead of our own, just a Jesus did.

 

[Aviel]

I didn't see "TULIP" anywhere the writings of Calvin that I read.

Well, all other calvinist's do.

 

[Aviel]

What is wrong faith?

A few examples....

1). Its any faith that does not BELIEVE that Jesus Keeps you saved.

2.) Wrong faith is any faith that suggests that The Cross of Christ only started your salvation, and now its on you to finish it.

3.) Wrong faith is trying to perform for God, believing that this is your salvation.

4.) Wrong faith is believing that water baptism washed your sin away.

5.). Wrong faith is believing that you have to agree to make Jesus ..= LORD, before God will forgive you to begin with.

 

[BBAS 64]

Everyone Has a "measure of Faith", but not everyone turns that faith to Christ.

For example, an Atheist has faith.....They have faith that God does not exist.

A Muslim has faith, but not in the Father of Jesus The Christ.

See that?

EVERYONE has "a measure of Faith" but not all have FAITH IN CHRIST< Paul explains.

Unbelievers = For not all men have Faith in Christ.

So, in Paul's life, it was Jewish unbelievers who had no faith in Christ.. who stoned Him, and Gentile unbelievers who harmed Him.

Currently in Israel "those who have no faith"......meaning, no faith in Christ".. just killed 1500 Jews, because their faith in their Quran' sent them to murder.

Good day,

The text explicitly says: For not all have faith.

You assert:

EVERYONE has "a measure of Faith" but not all have FAITH IN CHRIST< Paul explains.

Also:

Everyone Has a "measure of Faith", but not everyone turns that faith to Christ.

Try again... For not all have faith.

"but not everyone turns that faith to Christ." Found no where in the text of Scripture.

Text Citation please...

Now you would think if Paul wanted to convey that he would have the ability to do so. You adding it to the actual text is not compelling.


I will stick with the text... thanks! But of course if you have a text that you would like to exegete that is fine do so.

Mere baseless assertions are kind of useless.


Paul states that belief is granted for Christs sake, not for our sake.

Phl 1:29 For to you it has been granted for Christ’s sake, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake


In Him,

Bill

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[Clare73]

If you have faith in Jesus then you have faith in the law. The law simply means put God's will ahead of our own, just a Jesus did.

If I have faith in Jesus, then I have the NC law--the law of Christ.
I am not under the condemnation of any Mosaic law.
I have the fulfillment of the law living in me, my submission is to him,
and the Spirit has inspired the written word of God to reflect that living Word in a way
that protects my direct close communication with God himself while conforming me to his holiness.

 

[Aviel]

EVERYONE has "a measure of Faith" but not all have FAITH IN CHRIST< Paul explains.

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Yes. @BBAS 64

See, everyone has the CAPACITY to believe, something.

I know Pagans who believe they are in spiritual union with "mother earth".

They BELIEVE this.....its their FAITH.........but God didnt cause them to believe that..

Its what they chose to do with their FAITH, that is innate in all of us, as "the measure of faith".

Some People put their faith in : Science

Some People put their faith in : The Pope

Some People put their faith in : Joe Biden

Some People put their faith in : water baptism.

The Born again, have put their faith : In Christ

Legalists have put their faith in "doing works" and "commandment keeping".

 

[Clare73]

Well, all other calvinist's do.

Perhaps you can refer me to where Calvin uses the word "TULIP."
Evidently, I missed it.

 

[Aviel]

Perhaps you can refer me to where Calvin uses the word "TULIP."
Evidently, I missed it.

Jesus never uses the word "doctrine", yet the NT is all about it.


so, Calvin has a Theology, and this is not going to change even if you pretend you can't understand. @Clare73

Its referred to as : TULIP

T otal depravity,

U nconditional election,

L imited atonement,

I rresistible grace, and

P erseverance of the saints.

 

[Clare73]

Jesus never uses the word "doctrine", yet the NT is all about it.


so, Calvin has a Theology, and this is not going to change even if you pretend you can't understand. @Clare73

Its referred to as : TULIP

T otal depravity,

U nconditional election,

L imited atonement,

I rresistible grace, and

P erseverance of the saints.

So Calvin didn't use the word "TULIP," it was others who did.

 

[Aviel]

So Calvin didn't use the word "TULIP," it was others who did.

I never told you that Calvin used the word "Tulip">

And Jesus didnt use the word "Trinity" "tho other's did".

And God didnt use the name "lady gaga" "tho others did"

Can you run along now?
As i had thought you were just pretending not to comprehend.

-thx

 

[Aviel]

1.) When are you perfected as a Born again Believer?

AA.) Its when you have "Worked out your Salvation", and that does not mean to try to attain it or keep it.

Its to have the right MIND...the right THEOLOGY< the Right FAITH, the right UNDERSTANDING that is the same that God has, regarding what it means to be a "CHRISTian". And, regarding what it means to be "not under the law but Under Grace".. and what it means to understand PERFECTLY = , what has happened when the born again have become " a NEW Creation IN Christ".
Its to understand PERFECTLY what it means to have been "Translated from Darkness.. TO LIGHT">
Its to understand perfectly WHY the born again are "seated in Heavenly places" right now.

 

[Aviel]

God Creates Christians
Man creates denominations.

Calvin creates : Calvinist

, There are no denominations in Heaven......you only find them down here.
And so, once a person can SEE what im showing them, then they will often be able to stay in the Local Assembly they love and they should.. but they will SEE IT differently, which is what i caused them to understand by revelation.
And its very important for them to know what ive just shown you also.... as God loves all His Children, exactly the same, and its the Devil who causes Walls to be driven between Believers.
So that is the danger of Denominations.... just like its the danger of "doctrines of devils"... Hebrews 13:9