Refuting Israeli talking points (moving)

[benmaarof]

Is well documented. You can stick your head in the sand but that does not change fact.

Is well documented that the IDF used Palestinian children as human shields and destroy ambulances. You can stick your head in the sand but that does not change fact.

 

[faroukfarouk]

In some aspects. Both were occupying previously occupied land.

I went to a concentration camp in France, now a grim museum, and signed a page in the visitor's book near where President Mitterrand signed his name also.

And believe me, at that dreadful site, there was no attempt to equate the perpetrators of fascist crimes with the Jewish State.

 

[Hentenza]

See what you are doing. You are making conjecture. You don't even know the syllabus of the primary and secondary education of the Gazan children. It's making you look like a lying propagandist.

Check out the UN website regarding their efforts to change Hamas' Ministry of Education book requirements. Second, why did Hamas segregate the schools by gender?

On that note. Should French school children (and in the rest of occupied Europe) in 1943 be taught to love or at least accept their Nazi occupiers?

Red herring. Israel does not occupy Gaza. In fact, they gave the land of Gaza to the PLO in 1994. Maybe they should have kept it instead and all of the deaths in this last conflict could have been avoided.

 

[Hentenza]

Is well documented that the IDF used Palestinian children as human shields and destroy ambulances. You can stick your head in the sand but that does not change fact.

Nah, it is well documented that Hamas uses ambulances to ferry militants and their weapons throughout Gaza.

 

[Hentenza]

The IDF. used to shoot rockets at school buses and ambulances , and they have not stopped doing this.

And they won't until Hamas stops using school buses and ambulances for military purposes. Hamas does not care one bit about the Palestinian people. The more Palestinian people die the more propaganda they have.

 

[benmaarof]

Check out the UN website regarding their efforts to change Hamas' Ministry of Education book requirements. Second, why did Hamas segregate the schools by gender?

Red herring. Israel does not occupy Gaza. In fact, they gave the land of Gaza to the PLO in 1994. Maybe they should have kept it instead and all of the deaths in this last conflict could have been avoided.

Why did plenty of schools in the west segregate schools by gender?

Fact: Gaza is the world's largest refugee camp. It's the densest populated place on earth because of all the refugees displaced when the Israelis drove them off their land. Blaming them for fighting back is like blaming a rape victim for fighting back against her rapist.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Why did plenty of schools in the west segregate schools by gender?

Fact: Gaza is the world's largest refugee camp. It's the densest populated place on earth because of all the refugees displaced when the Israelis drove them off their land. Blaming them for fighting back is like blaming a rape victim for fighting back against her rapist.

Arafat's people would formerly shoot rockets at Israeli school buses, but after they stopped, eventually the Israelis negotiated with them.

Hamas likewise needs to renounce violence.

 

[benmaarof]

And they won't until Hamas stops using school buses and ambulances for military purposes. Hamas does not care one bit about the Palestinian people. The more Palestinian people die the more propaganda they have.

That's just lying propaganda by the Israelis. There's no shred of evidence ambulances were used to ferry Hamas fighters. Israel does not care one bit about the Palestinian people. The more Palestinian people die the happy they are. And that including those that died needing medical help.

If Hamas does not care one bit about the Palestinian people, then what's their point?

 

[benmaarof]

I went to a concentration camp in France, now a grim museum, and signed a page in the visitor's book near where President Mitterrand signed his name also.

And believe me, at that dreadful site, there was no attempt to equate the perpetrators of fascist crimes with the Jewish State.

Nazis = Occupiers of previously occupied lands.

Israelis = Occupiers of previously occupied lands.

 

[Hentenza]

Why did plenty of schools in the west segregate schools by gender?

Fact: Gaza is the world's largest refugee camp. It's the densest populated place on earth because of all the refugees displaced when the Israelis drove them off their land. Blaming them for fighting back is like blaming a rape victim for fighting back against her rapist.

No, they have been raped by Hamas long enough. When you add the education in hate, the Islamization of Gaza, the removal of natural civil rights, and the militarization of neighborhoods, schools, churches, mosques, and hospitals while continuing to launch rockets at a fully recognized sovereign nation, you have a recipe for disaster.

 

[Hentenza]

Nazis = Occupiers of previously occupied lands.

Israelis = Occupiers of previously occupied lands.

Except that the lands presently occupied by Israel belonged to Israel historically. Your godwin argument is debunked.

 

[Hentenza]

That's just lying propaganda by the Israelis. There's no shred of evidence ambulances were used to ferry Hamas fighters. Israel does not care one bit about the Palestinian people. The more Palestinian people die the happy they are. And that including those that died needing medical help.

If Hamas does not care one bit about the Palestinian people, then what's their point?

Man, you are living under a rock. You need to stop relying on propaganda and do some honest research on Hamas tactics and their power divisions with Fatah.

 

[benmaarof]

No, they have been raped by Hamas long enough. When you add the education in hate, the Islamization of Gaza, the removal of natural civil rights, and the militarization of neighborhoods, schools, churches, mosques, and hospitals while continuing to launch rockets at a fully recognized sovereign nation, you have a recipe for disaster.

If they thought that they were raped by Hamas, then they would blame Hamas. However, they identify Israel as their rapist.

What do you expect when Israel imposed crippling sanctions and blockades on the Gazans? Take it lying down? Hamas were voted by the Gazans. If anything good or bad happens because they voted Hamas, then the consequence is on them.

 

[benmaarof]

Man, you are living under a rock. You need to stop relying on propaganda and do some honest research on Hamas tactics and their power divisions with Fatah.

Man, you are living under a rock. You need to stop relying on propaganda and do some honest research on Israel tactics and their power divisions with the USA.

 

[danny ski]

Why did plenty of schools in the west segregate schools by gender?

Fact: Gaza is the world's largest refugee camp. It's the densest populated place on earth because of all the refugees displaced when the Israelis drove them off their land. Blaming them for fighting back is like blaming a rape victim for fighting back against her rapist.

Balderdash. Gaza's full because people there are unfamiliar with the concept of family planning. Anyway, all this is meaningless unless Arabs accept Israel as a fact. As an aside, here I am watching the news; seeing Muslims going berserk all over Iraq and Syria. Capturing and selling women, cutting each other's heads off, destroying everything in their path. Thousands upon thousands dead, millions of refugees... and nobody gives a damn. Note to self: write to Bibi and ask to get Jews involved. Maybe then the world will notice.

 

[benmaarof]

Except that the lands presently occupied by Israel belonged to Israel historically. Your godwin argument is debunked.

Except that the lands presently occupied by Israel belonged to the Philistines and the Canaanites historically. Your godwin argument is debunked

 

[faroukfarouk]

Except that the lands presently occupied by Israel belonged to the Philistines and the Canaanites historically. Your godwin argument is debunked

You can't just wipe the connection between Jews and the land.

Edward Said - Palestinian exile and distinguished literary critic and promoter of cultural exchange between Israelis and Palestians, believed that progress was not so much a matter of jurisdictions as it was for people with a sense of objective justice to work for peace in whatever jurisdiction they were in.

 

[benmaarof]

Balderdash. Gaza's full because people there are unfamiliar with the concept of family planning. Anyway, all this is meaningless unless Arabs accept Israel as a fact. As an aside, here I am watching the news; seeing Muslims going berserk all over Iraq and Syria. Capturing and selling women, cutting each other's heads off, destroying everything in their path. Thousands upon thousands dead, millions of refugees... and nobody gives a damn. Note to self: write to Bibi and ask to get Jews involved. Maybe then the world will notice.

Balderdash. Cowabunga. Gaza's full of displaced refugees because they were driven out of their towns, villages and farms. Nobody wants to live in a crowded place.

I question your news sources

 

[Hentenza]

Except that the lands presently occupied by Israel belonged to the Philistines and the Canaanites historically. Your godwin argument is debunked

lol No.

 

[benmaarof]

You can't just wipe the connection between the Jews and the land.

Edward Said - Palestinian exile and distinguished literary critic and promoter of cultural exchange between Israelis and Palestians, believed that progress was not so much a matter of jurisdictions as it was for people with a sense of objective justice to work for peace in whatever jurisdiction they were in.

You can't just wipe the connection between the Palestinians and the land.

So during WW2, the occupied Europeans should to work for peace with their Nazi occupiers in whatever jurisdiction they were in?