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I would really like to see a thread where you explain this....aw ok
no sin
-his- water baptism (note his)
ruminate coupled with repentance (change of mind)
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I would really like to see a thread where you explain this....aw ok
no sin
-his- water baptism (note his)
ruminate coupled with repentance (change of mind)
It is my job to know things.
Actually, I did a google search to see if I could find out more about the group you were talking about.
I would really like to see a thread where you explain this....
Jeremy and Keith Life Groups College Texas
First showing is Beltway.
It could be I'm more sensitive to it being a non-christian. I mean, if people claim that even small differences in theological view points means that one person is a true believer and the other isn't, then of course they're going to have issues with me being atheist/pantheist. But even as a pantheist, I feel like we can still find things in common with one another spiritually if we give each other a chance.
1) The main church is nothing like the college ministry. The church very much promotes unity among churches and going out, while the college ministry basically thinks that they're the only right ones and everyone should join them. The college pastor actually said this in a lesson "What I am saying right because this is what the Bible says. It doesn't matter what any other pastor has ever told you because they're not true followers"
2) They believe that if you do not share their viewpoint on everything, you are not a real follower, therefore you might as well be just be an admitting non-believe because that would be better.
3) They present themselves as "holier-than-thou" and then tell each other how the prayed for a random person or witnessed to this person. Not that there's anything wrong with those things, I don't think scripture says boast and brag about it.
4) They do not take no as an answer. If they ask you to church or one of their small groups, and you say no. They will ask you again, and again, and again, you get the point, until you say yes.
5) There's this weird hierarchy thing going on. On top you have Jeremy and Keith (the two college pastors). Then you have the section leaders, each section has several small groups in them (called Life Groups). I know a lot churches are set up this way, but you can't just start a life group without permission of our section leader and you must go through training to be a leader if they want you to (they pick and choose who). Also, they have discipleship groups, which are more informal but can't just be people one has to be a group leader.
I was apart of this group, I left because God told me to leave. It was spiritually damaging for me to be there. I noticed that when I started sharing my more liberal viewpoints, there was this growing distance between us.
Legalism is a red flag. People who voice their opinions all the time, that want to find people to "help", and seek those who are "weaker" that they can "instruct". Had my fill of those people..
Also, churches that don't grow are big red flags.
It depends on what they are saying. There are a LOT of churches who say a LOT of wrong things, and the correct answer to those wrong things is "this is what the bible says, it doesn't matter what any other pastor ever told you"
thats bad. From this and other things you said, it seems like they are pushing extremes (and not in a good way). While there are something you HAVE to believe to be a christian (Jesus is God, God is Good, Jesus is the only way to heaven, He died and was resurrected, ect.) and if you don't then you ARN'T a christian no matter how much you say your are. However I suspect from what it sounds like they are probably not talking about issues like that, but music style, dress style, ect. right?
This is a problem to some degree in almost every church. But yea, I know what you mean. Thing is, this has been a problem for a LONG time, the bible even touches on it, though in their case it was more spiritual gifts than talking about how they witnessed to someone or something.
Thats probable a good (but annoying) trait. Its all about context and how they do it though.
It does raise a couple flags, but not many. It sounds like just about any other Christian congregation to me.I know that sounds rather weird, but I'm a little concerned for a college ministry here in my city. I have a number of friends apart of this group, and well, I often wonder if they are slowly slipping into cultism and even if they aren't, they get pretty out of line and consider it correct to do so. I'm just curios if any of these raise "Red flags" with y'all...
I totally agree with you on how a church needs people to help others.Legalism is bad, however if a church DOESN'T have people who want to help and instruct those who are weaker in the faith, have less knowledge, are newer, ect. Then its simply a bad church.
Church growth is irrelevant. Christ would much of the time be left with very little people when he was done preaching, sometimes it was just the guys he brought with him. People don't like the gosple, some people will choose not to follow jesus, jesus didn't try to keep them around, but let them leave.
Legalism is a red flag. People who voice their opinions all the time, that want to find people to "help", and seek those who are "weaker" that they can "instruct". Had my fill of those people..
Also, churches that don't grow are big red flags.
I know that sounds rather weird, but I'm a little concerned for a college ministry here in my city. I have a number of friends apart of this group, and well, I often wonder if they are slowly slipping into cultism and even if they aren't, they get pretty out of line and consider it correct to do so. I'm just curios if any of these raise "Red flags" with y'all...
A few things I strange things I have noticed:
1) The main church is nothing like the college ministry. The church very much promotes unity among churches and going out, while the college ministry basically thinks that they're the only right ones and everyone should join them. The college pastor actually said this in a lesson "What I am saying right because this is what the Bible says. It doesn't matter what any other pastor has ever told you because they're not true followers"
2) They believe that if you do not share their viewpoint on everything, you are not a real follower, therefore you might as well be just be an admitting non-believe because that would be better.
3) They present themselves as "holier-than-thou" and then tell each other how the prayed for a random person or witnessed to this person. Not that there's anything wrong with those things, I don't think scripture says boast and brag about it.
4) They do not take no as an answer. If they ask you to church or one of their small groups, and you say no. They will ask you again, and again, and again, you get the point, until you say yes.
5) There's this weird hierarchy thing going on. On top you have Jeremy and Keith (the two college pastors). Then you have the section leaders, each section has several small groups in them (called Life Groups). I know a lot churches are set up this way, but you can't just start a life group without permission of our section leader and you must go through training to be a leader if they want you to (they pick and choose who). Also, they have discipleship groups, which are more informal but can't just be people one has to be a group leader.
I was apart of this group, I left because God told me to leave. It was spiritually damaging for me to be there. I noticed that when I started sharing my more liberal viewpoints, there was this growing distance between us. I finally sat down and told two of them (who I was grown closest two) that it had become spiritually damaging for me to be there, and my relationship with God was better apart from them. They understood and asked me to share it with the rest. I agreed. That was two months ago, I've asked several times to be able to do this and they either say: not now or just ignore the question and not answer back. I also have met a few people that go to the church and told me that they would never join the college ministry.
I don't know if I'm reading into things too much, I sometimes can do that. I am concerned as a friend that they are slowly walking into dangerous territory. Does any of this signal red flags to anyone else?