Question for liberals

[IHOM]

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The world is black and white

Simple statement that proves this

Christ is right, everyone else is wrong

 

[Tallguy88]

The world is black and white

Simple statement that proves this

Christ is right, everyone else is wrong

That doesn't address the point that Conservative and Liberal is not a black and white issue.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

The world is black and white

Simple statement that proves this

Christ is right, everyone else is wrong

Christ was neither liberal nor conservative, He held some beliefs in common with each, but not all.

 

[SolomonVII]

There are a lot of conservatives who don't believe Christ but i know what you mean

Yup.
I edited the post for clarity.

 

[IHOM]

That doesn't address the point that Conservative and Liberal is not a black and white issue.

Thats because its not a con vs lib situation.

Its Christ vs everything else issue

 

[LoAmmi]

Thats because its not a con vs lib situation.

Its Christ vs everything else issue

But when it comes to politics it can't be a black and white issue. Take housing. We all agree that everybody should have shelter over their heads. You say it's Jesus vs everything else, fine, but then what is the correct way to get housing for people? Build them houses? Build shelters? Convert unused buildings into shelters? The morality of it can come from your religion but the implementation of it isn't going to be a black and white issue.

 

[SolomonVII]

I'd like to respectfully disagree with you there. I know another group which, pretty much as a whole, don't throw their lot into with Islamists on both the conservative and liberal spectrum. Some might, sure, but there are politically conservative Muslims too who would probably throw in.

Yes. There indeed are politically conservative Muslims who aid and abet and enable the goals of the Islamists, and defend them at every opportunity along side of Western non-conservatives.

Likewise, there are liberal Muslims in the West, such as Hirsi Ali, Irshad Manji and others, who are given a voice and a welcome mat by Western conservative media, and the snub by media that is more mainstream.

Western conservatives fully support liberal Muslims in their struggles against Islamism.

 

[LoAmmi]

Yeah, and I don't know of any Jews who really want to be under Sharia law. Extra taxes and less rights. Been there, done that.

 

[pdudgeon]

But when it comes to politics it can't be a black and white issue. Take housing. We all agree that everybody should have shelter over their heads. You say it's Jesus vs everything else, fine, but then what is the correct way to get housing for people? Build them houses? Build shelters? Convert unused buildings into shelters? The morality of it can come from your religion but the implementation of it isn't going to be a black and white issue.

why not?

 

[LoAmmi]

why not?

As I pointed out. There are multiple solutions to these problems and usually they don't have any real difference in morality as far as I'm aware. Can you see a moral difference between buying land and building homeless shelters compared with buying unused buildings and converting them into homeless shelters? We're talking about legally obtained property here, not stealing it. The difference would be political perspective and the like which isn't morality but opinion of how best to do something.

Now, if someone said we should do nothing to help the homeless, then they are going to a black and white morality as they are now advocating we not assist those in need.

 

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[pdudgeon]

That doesn't address the point that Conservative and Liberal is not a black and white issue.

conservative and liberal are political labels that have been incorectly applied to the church by those who are likewise outside of the church,
in an attempt to trivialize and treat with disdane issues that are important to our spiritual life.

As such those labels have no place or relevance, and should not be encouraged or legitimized.

 

[pdudgeon]

As I pointed out. There are multiple solutions to these problems and usually they don't have any real difference in morality as far as I'm aware. Can you see a moral difference between buying land and building homeless shelters compared with buying unused buildings and converting them into homeless shelters? We're talking about legally obtained property here, not stealing it. The difference would be political perspective and the like which isn't morality but opinion of how best to do something.

Now, if someone said we should do nothing to help the homeless, then they are going to a black and white morality as they are now advocating we not assist those in need.

how those issues are solved does have to do with morality.
and yes, i can see moral influences in a decision between buying land to build on and converting unused buildings.
my personal choice would be to convert existing buildings by bringing them up to code first, and then fitting them out for the best use;
whether it be housing or new industry which provides jobs. both are necessary for the survival of the homeless.

 

[parousia70]

things like explosives,toxic chemicals,a fully armed tank,a nuclear reactor etc. are not designed to provide family protection,

Depends on who you are protecting your family from, don't you think?

If the constitutional right to keep and bear arms is meant as the final check and balance against the advances of a tyrannical government against the populace, then your 30 clip semi automatic aint gonna do a tinkers damn against those Abrams Tanks rolling down your block toward your house are they?