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Let's hear from a few in the Scientific Community what they think about how life originated.


Planets, Minerals and Life’s Origin

S TEVEN A. B ENNER 1,2

1 Foundation for Applied Molecular Evolution, PO Box 13174, Gainesville FL 32604

2 The Westheimer Institute for Science and Technology, 720 SW 2 nd Ave., Gainesville FL 32601
Four paradoxes stand astride any effort to understand how life originated on Earth:
(a) The Tar Paradox. Organic molecules, given energy and left to themselves, devolve into complex mixtures, “asphalts” better suited for paving roads than supporting Darwinian evolution. Any scenario for origins requires a way to allow organic material to escape this devolution into a Darwinian existence, where replication with imperfections, where the imperfections are themselves heritable, allows natural selection to avoid a tarry fate.

(b) The Water Paradox: Water is commonly believed to be essential for life. So are biopolymers, like RNA, DNA, and proteins. However, the biopolymers that we know find water corrosive. Any scenario for origins must manage the apparent need of life for a substance (water) this is inherently toxic to life.

(c) The Single Biopolymer Paradox. Even if we can make biopolymers prebioically, it is hard to imaging making two or three (DNA, RNA, proteins) at the same time. At the same time, genetics versus catalysis place different demands on the behavior of a single biopolymer intended to support life.
Catalytic biopolymers should fold, for example, while genetic biopolymers should not fold. Catalytic biopolymers should contain many building blocks; genetic biopolymers should contain few.

(d) The Probability Paradox. Some biopolymers, like RNA, strike a reasonable compromise between the needs of genetics and the needs of catalysis. However, emerging data suggests that RNA is more likely to deliver catalytic power that destroys RNA than catalytic power that makes RNA.
This talk will review experimental data that makes suggestions about early planetary environments and mineralogy that might avoid, mitigate, and possibly resolve certain of these paradoxes. Key are the presence of minerals, including borates and molybdates, that interact with organic species that are intermediates between atmospheric carbon dioxide and dinitrogen and RNA. Productive interaction requires as well a subaerial environment having only intermittent interaction with water. Recent data suggests that such environments might even be found today on Mars.


It is obvious to see that people who trust in natural processes and conditions for the origin of Life are stumped at how Life on earth came about. The best they can do is use logic,scientific principles, and use their Iimagination (I.e. guess).

God is not even a part of the equation. Does this make these scientists godless?
 
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Let's hear from a few in the Scientific Community what they think about how life originated.





It is obvious to see that people who trust in natural processes and conditions for the origin of Life are stumped at how Life on earth came about. The best they can do is use logic,scientific principles, and use their Iimagination (I.e. guess).

God is not even a part of the equation. Does this make these scientists godless?

No, it makes them scientists. Just because the explination doesn't include God doesn't mean he doesn't exist. Unless you have evidence to include God there is no reason for them to bring him in.
 
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Naturalism-based scientists continue to guesstimate how natural processes and conditions created life on earth.


Power behind primordial soup discovered - University of Leeds


Power behind primordial soup discovered


Researchers at the University of Leeds may have solved a key puzzle about how objects from space could have kindled life on Earth.

While it is generally accepted that some important ingredients for life came from meteorites bombarding the early Earth, scientists have not been able to explain how that inanimate rock transformed into the building blocks of life.

This new study shows how a chemical, similar to one now found in all living cells and vital for generating the energy that makes something alive, could have been created when meteorites containing phosphorus minerals landed in hot, acidic pools of liquids around volcanoes, which were likely to have been common across the early Earth.

“The mystery of how living organisms sprung out of lifeless rock has long puzzled scientists, but we think that the unusual phosphorus chemicals we found could be a precursor to the batteries that now power all life on Earth. But the fact that it developed simply, in conditions similar to the early Earth, suggests this could be the missing link between geology and biology,” said Dr Terry Kee, from the University’s School of Chemistry, who led the research.

All life on Earth is powered by a process called chemiosmosis, where the chemical adenosine triphosphate (ATP), the rechargeable chemical ‘battery’ for life, is both broken down and re-formed during respiration to release energy used to drive the reactions of life, or metabolism. The complex enzymes required for both the creation and break down of ATP are unlikely to have existed on the Earth during the period when life first developed. This led scientists to look for a more basic chemical with similar properties to ATP, but that does not require enzymes to transfer energy.

Phosphorus is the key element in ATP, and other fundamental building blocks of life like DNA, but the form it commonly takes on Earth, phosphorus (V), is largely insoluble in water and has a low chemical reactivity. The early Earth, however, was regularly bombarded by meteorites and interstellar dust rich in exotic minerals, including the far more reactive form of phosphorus, the iron-nickel-phosphorus mineral schreibersite.

The scientists simulated the impact of such a meteorite with the hot, volcanically-active, early Earth by placing samples of the Sikhote-Alin meteorite, an iron meteorite which fell in Siberia in 1947, in acid taken from the Hveradalur geothermal area in Iceland. The rock was left to react with the acidic fluid in test tubes incubated by the surrounding hot spring for[bless and do not curse] four days, followed by a further 30 days at room temperature.

In their analysis of the resulting solution the scientists found the compound pyrophosphite, a molecular ‘cousin’ of pyrophosphate – the part of ATP responsible for energy transfer. The scientists believe this compound could have acted as an earlier form of ATP in what they have dubbed ‘chemical life’.

“Chemical life would have been the intermediary step between inorganic rock and the very first living biological cell. You could think of chemical life as a machine –a robot, for example, is capable of moving and reacting to surroundings, but it is not alive. With the aid of these primitive batteries, chemicals became organised in such a way as to be capable of more complex behaviour and would have eventually developed into the living biological structures we see today,” said Dr Terry Kee.

The team from NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL-Caltech) working on the Curiosity rover, which landed on Mars in August last year, has recently reported the presence of phosphorus on the Red Planet.

"If Curiosity has found phosphorus in one of the forms we produced in Iceland, this may indicate that conditions on Mars were at one point suitable for the development of life in much the same way we now believe it developed on Earth,” added Dr Kee.



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"Sanitized" lab fabrications of RNA from reagent complex biological precursors is void of real world conditions and contaminates. Even solution ionic strength and presence of metal ions typically destroy these biochemicals, much less their reactions.

In the real world there are no conditions that are "sanitized" of contaminates to self replicating biomolecules, even biologically active proteins.

Naturalists in search of how life originated on earth are struggling with this inherent reality of nature.

An example is in this recent study:


Difficulty of the self-replication of prebiotic RNA molecules

K. K AWAMURA 1 *, Y. M ARUOKA 1 , K. H AMAHIGA 1

AND N. K ONAGAYA 2

1 Department of Human Environmental Studies, Hiroshima Shudo University, Hiroshima, Japan (*correspondence:

kawamura@shudo-u.ac.jp)

2 Department of Nutritional Sciences, Yasuda Women’s University, Hiroshima, Japan

Difficulties of RNA formation
The RNA world hypothesis is supported by the discovery of ribozyme, the simulations of RNA formation under the primitive earth environments, and in vitro selection of a variety of functional RNA molecules. However, there are several drawbacks regarding the formation and replication of entirely prebiotic RNA molecules. First, the efficient pathway of formation of RNA monomers under the primitive earth conditions is not yet clarified. Second, the cylization of short oligonucleotides [1], such as dinucleotides and trinucleotides, inhibits the accumulation of long RNA. This was partially solved by addition of intercalators [2]. Third, although it is true that RNA molecules preserve genetic information and enzymatic function in vivo, these functions are not yet elucidated for the RNA molecules formed entirely prebiotic conditions. It is known that the template-directed synthesis of oligoguanylate from activated nucleotide monomers proceeds on a polycytidylic template [3]. However, other combinations of activated nucleotide monomers on a complementary polynucleotide template proceed with very low efficeincy.

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Another "scientist" who walks in Scientism for answers has yet another compelling hypothesis on the "Holy Grail" in paleontology. Catastrophic geology Naturalism style.

Academic imagination brings use closer to the reality of how life on earth started. Remember that these are real guesstimations, I mean scientific conclusions.


Catastrophic Impacts Made Life on Earth Possible


“This is bigger than finding any dinosaur. This is what we’ve all searched for – the Holy Grail of science,” Chatterjee said.

Our planet wasn’t always the life-friendly “blue marble” that we know and love today. At one point early in its history it was anything but hospitable to life as we know it.

“When the Earth formed some 4.5 billion years ago, it was a sterile planet inhospitable to living organisms,” Chatterjee said. “It was a seething cauldron of erupting volcanoes, raining meteors and hot, noxious gasses. One billion years later, it was a placid, watery planet teeming with microbial life – the ancestors to all living things.”

Exactly how did this transition happen? That’s the Big Question in paleontology, and Chatterjee believes he may have found the answer lying within some of the world’s oldest and largest impact craters.

After studying the environments of the oldest known fossil-containing rocks in Greenland, Australia and South Africa, Chatterjee said these could be remnants of ancient craters and may be the very spots where life began in deep, dark and hot environments — similar to what’s found near thermal vents in today’s oceans.

Larger meteorites that created impact basins of about 350 miles in diameter inadvertently became the perfect crucibles, according to Chatterjee. These meteorites also punched through the Earth’s crust, creating volcanically driven geothermal vents. They also brought the basic building blocks of life that could be concentrated and polymerized in the crater basins.

In addition to new organic compounds — and, in the case of comets, considerable amounts of water — impacting bodies may also have brought the necessary lipids needed to help protect RNA and allow it to develop further.

“RNA molecules are very unstable. In vent environments, they would decompose quickly. Some catalysts, such as simple proteins, were necessary for primitive RNA to replicate and metabolize,” Chatterjee said. “Meteorites brought this fatty lipid material to early Earth.”


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The Christian Forum scientific community who are Naturalists have avoided defense of their scientific comrades who present wild guesstimations about the origin or life, how such started on earth.

Numerous posts presenting godless scientists papers on origin of life has apparently shown the Naturalistic Scientists on this forum clear academic imaginations that never happened. Only foolish scientific speculations from "scientists" from so called reputable scientific eestablishments and publication communities.

Scientism is being better seen for what it is. It's not pretty.
 
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Naturalists on Christian Forums have failed to defend their elite scientists who present wild guesstimations about the origin or life on earth.

Many "naturalistic scientific papers" on the origin of life have been listed in recent posts. These papers have shown many on this forum the "academic imagination and guesstimations" used by godless scientists to explain in their view the past physical events for how life on earth came about.

These papers present foolish speculations from scientists who are from "reputable scientific establishments and publication communities".

Those involved in the religion of Scientism proceed to advance a godless view of our existence, even through use of imagination and scientifically guised guesstimations from "elite" godless scientists.

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Post after post we have seen in secular scientific literature how elite godless scientists declare how the Earth, Moon and life on Earth has come about. What we see presented, however, is conjecture combined with pure guesstimations. These godless scientists have no clue. They make it look and sound like science, but it is in the realm of imagination.

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Post after post we have seen in secular scientific literature how elite godless scientists declare how the Earth, Moon and life on Earth has come about. What we see presented, however, is conjecture combined with pure guesstimations. These godless scientists have no clue. They make it look and sound like science, but it is in the realm of imagination.

All scientific literature is secular. By definition. Science only deals with the natural world/universe, so it cannot be connected with religious or spiritual matters.

"Elite" and "godless" are not necessary requirements to be a scientist. It would be a poorer world if they were.

There are plenty of scientists that have come from humble backgrounds and have strong religious beliefs, but still work on abiogenesis, astronomy and cosmology. Francis Collins, a doctor, geneticist, one time leader of the human genome project and the Director of the National Institutes of Health in the US, was homeschooled and is an evangelical christian. His belief is that all life on earth came about by a God-ordained process of evolution with common descent.

Sciene is not fixed, everything is tentative. That seems to offend you somehow.

When something is less than certain or we don't have full knowledge of the facts, what scientists have are hypotheses that try to describe the evidence that is available to us. As more information becomes available, these hypotheses can be adjusted and modified to fit the evidence. The more knowledge, the better we can explain the hows and whys.

The sum of human knowledge of the universe is ever expanding, thus science changes to better explain and incorporate the new knowledge. This is why its so exciting. Progress means expansion or addition to theories (say, the Standard Model and the theory of gravitation thanks to recent confirmation of the Higgs Boson) or replacement of one theory with another (Einstein's overturning of Newton's laws, abandonment of the steady-state universe model).
 
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All scientific literature is secular. By definition. Science only deals with the natural world/universe, so it cannot be connected with religious or spiritual matters.

"Elite" and "godless" are not necessary requirements to be a scientist. It would be a poorer world if they were.

There are plenty of scientists that have come from humble backgrounds and have strong religious beliefs, but still work on abiogenesis, astronomy and cosmology. Francis Collins, a doctor, geneticist, one time leader of the human genome project and the Director of the National Institutes of Health in the US, was homeschooled and is an evangelical christian. His belief is that all life on earth came about by a God-ordained process of evolution with common descent.

Sciene is not fixed, everything is tentative. That seems to offend you somehow.

When something is less than certain or we don't have full knowledge of the facts, what scientists have are hypotheses that try to describe the evidence that is available to us. As more information becomes available, these hypotheses can be adjusted and modified to fit the evidence. The more knowledge, the better we can explain the hows and whys.

The sum of human knowledge of the universe is ever expanding, thus science changes to better explain and incorporate the new knowledge. This is why its so exciting. Progress means expansion or addition to theories (say, the Standard Model and the theory of gravitation thanks to recent confirmation of the Higgs Boson) or replacement of one theory with another (Einstein's overturning of Newton's laws, abandonment of the steady-state universe model).


You appear to be like other "Scientismists" and you are preaching your religion. Yes sir, religion!

You have simply separated science from the God of science. What did you wind up with? So call "godless scientific inquiries". Scientism will do that to you, to all who have put science above God.

And you are proud to over promote Secularism.

Until you prove their is no God you error in your reply above, big time. You want others to have unbelief in God and faith in Scientism. I'm not going for it.

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You appear to be like other "Scientismists" and you are preaching your religion. Yes sir, religion!

You have simply separated science from the God of science. What did you wind up with? So call "godless scientific inquiries". Scientism will do that to you, to all who have put science above God.

And you are proud to over promote Secularism.

Until you prove their is no God you error in your reply above, big time. You want others to have unbelief in God and faith in Scientism. I'm not going for it.

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You seem to have quite a bit of bitterness bottled up inside you Heiss.

Hey, no one has to prove that God exists or he doesn't and it likely can not be done anyway.

You have your mechanisms of how you decide to believe in something and others have theirs, live with it.
 
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You seem to have quite a bit of bitterness bottled up inside you Heiss.

Hey, no one has to prove that God exists or he doesn't and it likely can not be done anyway.

You have your mechanisms of how you decide to believe in something and others have theirs, live with it.


Once you met Him unbelief in others indicates their error in understanding our present existence - to say the least.

You may want to possibly reexamine what you call bitterness.

Now, about these so called research scientists that past post present their scientific investigation and conclusions on solar, Earth, Moon and origin of life publications. Fill me in and set me straight about my view of their Scientism work. Show their purity and my error. Go for it.

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Once you met Him unbelief in others indicates their error in understanding our present existence - to say the least.

You may want to possibly reexamine what you call bitterness.

Now, about these so called research scientists that past post present their scientific investigation and conclusions on solar, Earth, Moon and origin of life publications. Fill me in and set me straight about my view of their Scientism work. Show their purity and my error. Go for it.

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I'm quite certain you believe you have met him Heiss, good for you. Just keep in mind, what applies to your own personal experience, may not apply to others.
 
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I'm quite certain you believe you have met him Heiss, good for you. Just keep in mind, what applies to your own personal experience, may not apply to others.

Let's here your reply to the scientific literature posted. You and others have been mute. Do you see the academic guesstimations in the guise of science?

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It is sad to see how replies are avoiding the OP.

Why do you not discuss the science presented in the references I list?

Do you agree that these reputable scientists are presenting only academic imagination of origins? Conjectures based on Scientism?

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Fair question.

As many as have sought the Lord Jesus and found Him: those who have been changed from the inside out though His Power from Above; those who became "good soil" to what He plants and waters.

I don't have an exact number but more than you think. There are many more who are "in the middle" - who do not have full confidence in evolution or Creationism. They are a work in progress, that no longer have confidence in following men: what people say about science or Scripture.

Zero for those who sought through Bible content only.


John 6:39,40

"You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal [higher] life, and it is these that bear witness of Me; and you were unwilling to come to Me, that you may have [find and witness higher] life."

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