Preachers supporting Israel

[truthpls]

Many preachers are gung ho supporting Israel as if God supports the killing of civilians in Gaza. My opinion is that Israel is now in unbelief and rebellion against God, and will not be eligible for the blessing and protection of God until they get saved in the end. So I find is shameful that otherwise excellent preachers support terrorism and mass murder from Israel. Maybe someone can defend them?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Many preachers are gung ho supporting Israel as if God supports the killing of civilians in Gaza. My opinion is that Israel is now in unbelief and rebellion against God, and will not be eligible for the blessing and protection of God until they get saved in the end. So I find is shameful that otherwise excellent preachers support terrorism and mass murder from Israel. Maybe someone can defend them?

They supported Israel's persecution of non-Jews since 1948 when the State of Israel was declared.

Many of those people are Christians. The preachers in Western Religion turn a blind eye toward
the persecution of Palestinian Christians in Israel by the Israeli government. Most people in the
US are ignorant that the government of Israel holds the money the US gives that is supposed to be
distributed to the Christians living there.

 

[Ephesians321]

The State of Israel has no prophetic significance anymore. It is not even God's Israel anymore that conditionally observed the Law of Moses and covenant of Abraham in order to possess the land. God abrogated both in Christ. When is Christianity going to wake up and smell the coffee. The Israel of God (Gal. 6:16) no longer features a racial divide neither favors one race above all others. Palestine (the shadow) has been removed and replaced by the reality of Heaven. In Christ, the Israel of God has been given a better realty than anything on this giant dirt ball called the earth. An eternal inheritance of a city built by God himself residing in a unshakeable (indestructible) Kingdom.

 

[truthpls]

They supported Israel's persecution of non-Jews since 1948 when the State of Israel was declared.

Many of those people are Christians. The preachers in Western Religion turn a blind eye toward
the persecution of Palestinian Christians in Israel by the Israeli government. Most people in the
US are ignorant that the government of Israel holds the money the US gives that is supposed to be
distributed to the Christians living there.

I'm glad that not all Christians think that unbelieving Israel must be supported or we get cursed or that sort of thing. Their position is kind of like all enemies of Israel or those that do not agree with mass murder are going against God.

 

[Ephesians321]

I'm glad that not all Christians think that unbelieving Israel must be supported or we get cursed or that sort of thing. Their position is kind of like all enemies of Israel or those that do not agree with mass murder are going against God.

I fully sympathize with your position, the false Christian Zionism movement and false Dispensationalists eschatology has a strong foothold in denominational circles today. Many were bought and sold on these false doctrines hook, line, and sinker.

 

[Ephesians321]

I just posted about the false dispensationalist eschatology:
Full Preterist Safe House

 

[truthpls]

I fully sympathize with your position, the false Christian Zionism movement and false Dispensationalists eschatology has a strong foothold in denominational circles today. Many were bought and sold on these false doctrines hook, line, and sinker.

They usually toss out the word 'replacement' theology. However I do not think they were replaced as a people God had chosen and who would be restored in the future. The problem is that He did not restore them to the land and will not until they get saved one day in the future. They are prophesied to be there, but that sure doesn't mean God brought them back. Not that the desert is blooming like a rose now etc

 

[Ephesians321]

They usually toss out the word 'replacement' theology. However I do not think they were replaced as a people God had chosen and who would be restored in the future. The problem is that He did not restore them to the land and will not until they get saved one day in the future. They are prophesied to be there, but that sure doesn't mean God brought them back. Not that the desert is blooming like a rose now etc

Christ is never bringing them back. There will be no more prophecies regarding Palestine. The Jews throughout history including today only believed in two ages (so did Jesus and the Apostles). They never believed in the end of the world, the end of history. But they failed to recognize God never intended an earthly kingdom (sound familiar?) but Christ rules from Heaven now and forevermore sitting upon the Throne of David sitting at the right hand of God

(Dan. 2:44 the when? during the Roman Empire, Dan. 7:13-14 the how? Christ's ascension and coronation, Isaiah 9:7 & Luke 1:31-33 & Acts 2:22-36 & Ephesians 3:21)

1. The Mosaic Age (this age, the last days, the end of the age, the end times, Heaven and Earth).
2. The Messianic Age (the age to come, New Heaven and New Earth, the church age).

Carefully read Hebrews 1:1-2 and Hebrews 9:26 both will tell you the New Testament writers were living in the end times.

 

[Ephesians321]

From the book, Israel 1948: Countdown To No Where by Don K. Preston

 

[truthpls]

Christ is never bringing them back. There will be no more prophecies regarding Palestine. The Jews throughout history including today only believed in two ages (so did Jesus and the Apostles). They never believed in the end of the world, the end of history. But they failed to recognize God never intended an earthly kingdom (sound familiar?) but Christ rules from Heaven now and forevermore sitting upon the Throne of David sitting at the right hand of God

(Dan. 2:44 the when? during the Roman Empire, Dan. 7:13-14 the how? Christ's ascension and coronation, Isaiah 9:7 & Luke 1:31-33 & Acts 2:22-36 & Ephesians 3:21)

1. The Mosaic Age (this age, the last days, the end of the age, the end times, Heaven and Earth).
2. The Messianic Age (the age to come, New Heaven and New Earth, the church age).

Carefully read Hebrews 1:1-2 and Hebrews 9:26 both will tell you the New Testament writers were living in the end times.

They will look on Him whom they have pierced and believe one day

Zechariah 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

That has nothing to do with the Gaza situation today though in a way that justifies Israel doing evil

 

[Ephesians321]

They will look on Him whom they have pierced and believe one day

Zechariah 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

That has nothing to do with the Gaza situation today though in a way that justifies Israel doing evil

They "seen" Christ coming in the clouds of Heaven (Dan. 7:13-14) executing their national judgment in A.D. 70.

Christ came in the invisible Glory of the Father and in the same manner of the Father judged nations in the Old Testament.
John 17:5
John 5:19
Matthew 16:27-28
Luke 17:20-21
John 18:36

 

[truthpls]

They "seen" Christ coming in the clouds of Heaven (Dan. 7:13-14) executing their national judgment in A.D. 70.

Christ came in the invisible Glory of the Father and in the same manner of the Father judged nations in the Old Testament.

I see. Looks like we part ways there. Every eye did not see Him in 70AD Nor were a plethora of prophesies regarding the end period fulfilled.

 

[Ephesians321]

I see. Looks like we part ways there. Every eye did not see Him in 70AD Nor were a plethora of prophesies regarding the end period fulfilled.

All prophecies were fulfilled in A.D. 70, the Kingdom of God resides both in the church (the living Temple where God lives in the heart of believers, a Spirit-filled moral natured kingdom, never ending always increasing) and in Heaven itself where Christ reigns over the nations provindentially on his Throne (unobserveable, unshakeable, not of this world, where there are no marriages anymore, flesh and blood can not inherit, never ending always increasing).

Luke 17:20-21
Ephesians 3:21

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Forget for a moment that this is Israel.
What if this were the USA and 500+ rockets were launched into New York City from Canada? Also, a group of terrorists crossed the Vermont border and murdered the occupants of a small town, including beheading American babies. Consider that Canada and other allies supported the complete destruction of the USA, driving all American citizens into the ocean. No compromise. No treaty. Just the vowed destruction and death of all Americans. What would America do? Would you cheer on the terrorists and nations that supported them?
Consider also that the USA and every nation involved in WW2 killed hundreds of thousands of innocents in European and Japanese cities. We firebombed and carpet-bombed German and Japanese cities. We dropped atomic bombs on two cities... and burned the people alive. Babies. Women. School children.
Why the sudden outcry of conscience? This is war. They are doing the very same thing we did a thousand times over.
Today, we have thousands of nuclear weapons aimed at enemy cities. With the push of a button, we are prepared to burn hundreds of millions of men, women, and children in a holocaust that will likely bring an end to the human race. That is now. Today. That is you... with your tax dollars.
Why are you supporting this evil of all evils?
Clean up your backyard of this monstrous evil before you start criticizing the actions of others.

 

[Ephesians321]

Forget for a moment that this is Israel.
What if this were the USA and 500+ rockets were launched into New York City from Canada? Also, a group of terrorists crossed the Vermont border and murdered the occupants of a small town, including beheading American babies. Consider that Canada and other allies supported the complete destruction of the USA, driving all American citizens into the ocean. No compromise. No treaty. Just the vowed destruction and death of all Americans. What would America do? Would you cheer on the terrorists and nations that supported them?
Consider also that the USA and every nation involved in WW2 killed hundreds of thousands of innocents in European and Japanese cities. We firebombed and carpet-bombed German and Japanese cities. We dropped atomic bombs on two cities... and burned the people alive. Babies. Women. School children.
Why the sudden outcry of conscience? This is war. They are doing the very same thing we did a thousand times over.
Today, we have thousands of nuclear weapons aimed at enemy cities. With the push of a button, we are prepared to burn hundreds of millions of men, women, and children in a holocaust that will likely bring an end to the human race. That is now. Today. That is you... with your tax dollars.
Why are you supporting this evil of all evils?
Clean up your backyard of this monstrous evil before you start criticizing the actions of others.

Both sides are wrong and it all amounts to retaliatory attacks.

 

[truthpls]

All prophecies were fulfilled in A.D. 70,

Not even close. One would need an overactive imagination to imagine Jesus rules the nations today

 

[Ephesians321]

Not even close. One would need an overactive imagination to imagine Jesus rules the nations today

Do you comprehend the message:

God swore to never destroy the human race: Genesis 8:21

God swore to never destroy the earth, sun, and moon and swore this by the throne of Christ:
Ecclesiastes 1:4, Psalms 89:35-37

Isaiah 65:17-23 (sin, death, childbirth still exist after New Heavens and New Earth are created because they are strictly covenantal by nature)

Isaiah 66:21-24 (new generations will always be born, the citizens of New Heaven and New Earth will witness the aftermath of the passing of the Old Heaven and Old Earth and its corpses)

Revelation 21:1, 22:2, 14-15 (the nations still need healing and Christ, followers of Christ will be healed but the sinners will be outside of New Jerusalem until they come to Christ)

Isaiah 9:7 (His government will never stop growing)

Ephesians 3:21 (the church is the world without end, glorifying Christ throughout all ages)

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Many preachers are gung ho supporting Israel as if God supports the killing of civilians in Gaza. My opinion is that Israel is now in unbelief and rebellion against God, and will not be eligible for the blessing and protection of God until they get saved in the end. So I find is shameful that otherwise excellent preachers support terrorism and mass murder from Israel. Maybe someone can defend them?

And what do you want Israel to do? If they do not eradicate Hamas, Hamas will continue their terrorists attacks in the future. Hamas is a Iranian proxy, and Iran wants Israel destroyed.

Furthemore, many Palestinians support what Hamas did during Oct 7th, some Gazans even joined them.

The people in Gaza largery hate Israel and what them all dead. Children from young age are taught to hate and kill the Jews. The palestinian children play games where they pretend to murder the Jews. Is that normal to you?

Yes, sadly innocent people will die. If there was a solution they could kill Hamas terrorists while killing 0 civilians they would do it. Unfortunately that's not possible. During WW2, in order to destroy the Nazis, 2 million German civilains were killed. That is the unfortunate side of the war. But no one complains about that, people only complain when Israel wants to do it.

There was ceasefire on Oct 6th. On Oct 7th, Hamas broke it, not Israel.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Both sides are wrong and it all amounts to retaliatory attacks.

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So again... what do they expect them to do? Just sit there and have their citizens murdered and have thousands of missiles launched into their towns and cities? No nation on earth would stand by and allow that to happen. Not the US, not Russia, not Iran, Saudi Arabia, or any other nation. Stop wars and this sort of thing will cease. But don't ignore the thousands of instances where civilians have been killed in every war since the start of history, and then perk up and object when Isreal is involved.

 

[truthpls]

Do you comprehend the message:

God swore to never destroy the human race: Genesis 8:21

God swore to never destroy the earth, sun, and moon and swore this by the throne of Christ:
Ecclesiastes 1:4, Psalms 89:35-37

Isaiah 65:17-23 (sin, death, childbirth still exist after New Heavens and New Earth are created because they are strictly covenantal by nature)

Isaiah 66:21-24 (new generations will always be born, the citizens of New Heaven and New Earth will witness the aftermath of the passing of the Old Heaven and Old Earth and its corpses)

Revelation 21:1, 22:2, 14-15 (the nations still need healing and Christ, followers of Christ will be healed but the sinners will be outside of New Jerusalem until they come to Christ)

Isaiah 9:7 (His government will never stop growing)

Ephesians 3:21 (the church is the world without end, glorifying Christ throughout all ages)

And what do you want Israel to do? If they do not eradicate Hamas, Hamas will continue their terrorists attacks in the future. Hamas is a Iranian proxy, and Iran wants Israel destroyed.

Eradicating children is the problem. Hamas is the excuse

Furthemore, many Palestinians support what Hamas did during Oct 7th, some Gazans even joined them.

Have a referendum and see how many support beheading babies.

The people in Gaza largery hate Israel and what them all dead.

If true, I wonder why, are they treated nice? If my city was bombed day and night killing mountains of people I might be sore also

Children from young age are taught to hate and kill the Jews.

Say who? Are they taught to love Palestinians in Israel? If schools teach history such as how their grandparents had their lands and groves and homes taken, maybe there is a reason to do what you call 'hate' the occupiers? Let's face it both sides dislike the other and Gaza has real reasons for doing so.

The palestinian children play games where they pretend to murder the Jews. Is that normal to you?

Cowboys and Indians? Playing war? Were you never young? You make it sound like all children do what you claim. Sounds like propaganda

Yes, sadly innocent people will die. If there was a solution they could kill Hamas terrorists while killing 0 civilians they would do it.

Let's face it the only effort made so far was killing civilians. (possibly hoping some Hamas also died

Unfortunately that's not possible. During WW2, in order to destroy the Nazis, 2 million German civilains were killed. That is the unfortunate side of the war. But no one complains about that, people only complain when Israel wants to do it.

Germany had armed forces.

There was ceasefire on Oct 6th. On Oct 7th, Hamas broke it, not Israel.

Wild eyed killers breaking in and terrorizing people is no excuse to kill more people using greater terror