Origins of the Secret Pre-trib Rapture

[dfw69]

the 144000 is the manchild....the manchild is caught up to heaven ....when satan is cast down the manchild is protected by being raptured to heaven .....and seen on mt sion in heaven.....then satan make war with israel using the antichrist... for the scene here is of israel fleeing to the mountains ......this happens when the abominaton is set up....so in the middle of 7 last years of human government (time of the gentiles)....we see the manchild caught up.....not at the end of the time of jacobs trouble (ie great tribulation).....but in the middle..... the woman is israel and the manchild is 144000....Rev 12....peace

 

[Avelina777]

the 144000 is the manchild....the manchild is caught up to heaven ....when satan is cast down the manchild is protected by being raptured to heaven .....and seen on mt sion in heaven.....then satan make war with israel using the antichrist... for the scene here is of israel fleeing to the mountains ......this happens when the abominaton is set up....so in the middle of 7 last years of human government (time of the gentiles)....we see the manchild caught up.....not at the end of the time of jacobs trouble (ie great tribulation).....but in the middle..... the woman is israel and the manchild is 144000....Rev 12....peace

bro you can't really believe that do you???

 

[dfw69]

yes i do.....why?

 

[Avelina777]

yes i do.....why?

Well not sure if i am understanding you right but you believe in the great trib and you are post but you believe it is 7 years????

 

[dfw69]

no....i am pre antichrist......i believe the church is not here when antichrist comes.....when antichrist comes it will start the last 7 years of human government......

so many events take place in these last 7 years ......everything written from Rev 6 to Rev 19 takes place in these last 7 years.....

 

[trumpeter]

the 144000 is the manchild....the manchild is caught up to heaven ....when satan is cast down the manchild is protected by being raptured to heaven .....and seen on mt sion in heaven.....then satan make war with israel using the antichrist... for the scene here is of israel fleeing to the mountains ......this happens when the abominaton is set up....so in the middle of 7 last years of human government (time of the gentiles)....we see the manchild caught up.....not at the end of the time of jacobs trouble (ie great tribulation).....but in the middle..... the woman is israel and the manchild is 144000....Rev 12....peace

.i am pre antichrist......i believe the church is not here when antichrist comes.....when antichrist comes it will start the last 7 years of human government...

You have the chuch out of here before the 7 years and the 144,000 taken out 3.5 years later at mid point.

Why not have both taken out at the same time.

 

[dfw69]

You have the chuch out of here before the 7 years and the 144,000 taken out 3.5 years later at mid point.

Why not have both taken out at the same time.

every person who has faith in Jesus...whether jew or gentile...all nationalities.... ....american arab israeli greek italian german spanish...it doesnt matter....for whosoever believeth in jesus shall be saved....

but after the rapture....the 144000 will be either awakened by the event.....or God will reveal the truth of the gospel to them as he did saul of tarsus who he named Paul ..........but they will try to convert Israel during the first 3 and 1/2 years....in the middle they are taken up

when the 144000 are taken up in the middle of the 7 year period and the antichrist enters Israel.....the two witnesses then come for Israel to preach the gospel and try to convert Israel...these will be the last 3 and 1/2 years.....

the tribulation saints of all nations who have converted though killed for their faith will all be resurrected at the end of the tribulation......this will make up the first resurrection.....

the first resurrection is....3 events in 3 different times

1st event... resurrection ...the old testament saints resurrected after Jesus resurrected...he took captivity captive
2nd event... resurrection... of all the dead in christ before the last 7 years
3rd event...resurrection ... the tribulation saints after the 7 years....before Jesus returns.......this makes up the first resurrection of all redeemed saints


the marriage supper then takes place in heaven ... then the return of Jesus with all the saints....peace

 

[zeke37]

so dfw69, you believe that the rapture is pre antiChrist right?

so by deduction then, u must believe that the dead who sleep in Christ,
are brought from heaven, to the earth, with Jesus, also pre antiChrist.

that doesn't make any sense.
the dead don't walk the earth untl after Satan's short season
post trib...that's when the dead are brought from heaven by Chrst and raised here. 1Thes4:13-16.

 

[zeke37]

You have the chuch out of here before the 7 years and the 144,000 taken out 3.5 years later at mid point.

Why not have both taken out at the same time.

yep, but post.

 

[dfw69]

so dfw69, you believe that the rapture is pre antiChrist right?

so by deduction then, u must believe that the dead who sleep in Christ,
are brought from heaven, to the earth, with Jesus, also pre antiChrist.

that doesn't make any sense.
the dead don't walk the earth untl after Satan's short season
post trib...that's when the dead are brought from heaven by Chrst and raised here. 1Thes4:13-16.

hello......if you confuse the coming of the lord and our gathering unto Jesus..with...the return of the lord to the earth....then you would come up with this conclusion.......but they are not the same events......but 2 seperate events.....one is a coming in the air....the other is a return to earth.......one event happens sometime before the revelation of the antichrist...and.... the other event happens at the end of the tribulation.....peace

 

[zeke37]

(the "eye" key on my keboard wont work, lol.)_

but that s when the rapture occures...after God brngs wth Hm the dead n Chrst, and after they are rased here, as promsed

 

[Choose Wisely]

(the "eye" key on my keboard wont work, lol.)_

but that s when the rapture occures...after God brngs wth Hm the dead n Chrst, and after they are rased here, as promsed

Kind of a problem when the dead in Christ are caught up TOGETHER with the living saints to meet the Lord in the air.

 

[zeke37]

but that is when the rapture occures...after God brngs wth Him the dead in Christ, and after they are raised here, as promised

Kind of a problem when the dead in Christ are caught up TOGETHER with the living saints to meet the Lord in the air.

not really.
God leaves heaven, and brings with Him those that sleep in Jesus.

13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

and the dead in Christ must be "raised" before we who are alive are "changed".

15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

they leave heaven with the Lord, and are raised FIRST, before we who remain are seized to the Lord.

16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

so, we just learned above that God will bring with Him those that sleep in Jesus.
where? from heaven to here. to be raised.

and we learn again, that the dead (those that sleep in Jesus) shall rise FIRST, before the rapture.

17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:

after the dead walk the earth again, the rapture occures,
when those returning dead in Christ are seized together with the changed (into air) alive in Christ,
into a great cloud of witnesses.