On Wisconsin

[Nathan Poe]

Unions make up about 10% of the private work force, so by your reasoning 90% of us are already serfs. There is a reason why union membership is declining--unions arent necessary

There's actually a grain of accidental truth to this.

Unions are "unnecessary" because in a globalized economy, they no longer have nearly as much bargaining power as they once did. Management can silence a union pretty quickly by simply threatening to outsource.

Working under less-than-optimal conditions is always preferable to being out of a job because the Bosses moved the operation to some Singapore sweatshop.

of course, there are a few occupations for which such a threat is completely ineffective -- government workers and teachers come to mind. After all, neither of these jobs can be outsourced, so the unions still have some clout...unless, of course, steps are taken to demonize these unions in the media and turn public opinion against them.

Now, refresh my memory -- how do government and teachers' unions get treated in the court of public opinion...?

 

[lordbt]

There's actually a grain of accidental truth to this.

Unions are "unnecessary" because in a globalized economy, they no longer have nearly as much bargaining power as they once did. Management can silence a union pretty quickly by simply threatening to outsource.

Working under less-than-optimal conditions is always preferable to being out of a job because the Bosses moved the operation to some Singapore sweatshop.

Name a company where this is happening.

of course, there are a few occupations for which such a threat is completely ineffective -- government workers and teachers come to mind. After all, neither of these jobs can be outsourced, so the unions still have some clout...unless, of course, steps are taken to demonize these unions in the media and turn public opinion against them.

No one is demonizing public unions. People are just accurately pointing out how they are unnecessary, unaffordable and an arm of one political party.

 

[SOAD]

No one is demonizing public unions.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Name a company where this is happening.

It's not the sort of thing that gets advertised.

"Mondocorp -- scaring blue collars into submission since 2003."

Of course, a bluff only means something if it's called once in a while -- and it's no secret that US businesses do outsource to countries where labor regulations are somewhere between lax and missing -- prompting their neighbors to dismantle their own labor and/or environmental regs in order to attract more.

It's called the "Race to the Bottom." You can google it if you don't believe me.

Of course, America's unions were able to pass laws which improve their quality of life -- laws which can't be repealed easily.

(What -- you think management wants a minimum wage?)

...so there will always be somewhere that's closer to the bottom than we are. It's simple economics.

No one is demonizing public unions. People are just accurately pointing out how they are unnecessary, unaffordable and an arm of one political party.

One party stands up for the working man, the other stands up for management. What did you expect would happen?

 

[lordbt]

Ah, SOAD is here. Communicating via smilie are we? Very well.

 

[lordbt]

It's not the sort of thing that gets advertised.

Yet somehow you are expert enough in the subject to claim such behavior to be widespread.

"Mondocorp -- scaring blue collars into submission since 2003."

That is not evidence of your claim.

One party stands up for the working man, the other stands up for management. What did you expect would happen?

Standing up for unions does nto equal standing up for the working man, since the vast majority of working men are not in unions.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Yet somehow you are expert enough in the subject to claim such behavior to be widespread.

Wide enough.

That is not evidence of your claim.

Didn't say it was.

Standing up for unions does nto equal standing up for the working man, since the vast majority of working men are not in unions.

But the ones who are can go rot, right?

 

[SOAD]

Ah, SOAD is here. Communicating via smilie are we? Very well.

That is called laughing at things I find funny. Thanks for the laugh.

 

[Umaro]

Unions make up about 10% of the private work force, so by your reasoning 90% of us are already serfs. There is a reason why union membership is declining--unions arent necessary--unless you consider electing democrat politicians to office a necessity. Their largest remaining purpose is as a political arm of the left. Public unions line the pocket of the mediocre at the expense of the taxpaying public.

And the public is waking up.

How do you propose we address the stagnating wages and below living-wage pay many jobs have? Somebody has to be filling those low wage positions that have no power to prevent abuse.

 

[kermit]

Name a company where this is happening.

Are you trying to deny that outsourcing is affecting compensation in the US?

 

[SOAD]

Wimpy Marathon County Labor Council gave in and decided to allow republicans to join the parade. I cannot stand people who make decisions and don't hold their ground.

 

[grasping the after wind]

You do not understand the history of Labor Day.

Labor Day is to celebrate "the strength and esprit de corps of the trade and labor organizations"

Wisconsin republicans attack Labor unions and deserve no place in a Labor Day Parade.

Would you invite your neighbor to your child's birthday party just 3 months after he turned you into CPS for child abuse?

Are you really equating the public sector union with child abusers?

Perhaps we should inform all the non unionized workers that Labor Day is only for the unions and they should not feel they are included in it? The unions , which are awash in enough money to fund huge recall and election campaigns, should take out ads in all the newspapers on Tv, radio and over the net to make sure that everyone understands that Labor Day is a union holiday and has nothing to do with any worker not paying their union dues.

 

[SOAD]

Are you really equating the public sector union with child abusers?

Sorry if your cannot understand my words. Apparently you missed something. I cannot help you.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Sorry if your cannot understand my words. Apparently you missed something. I cannot help you.

Perhaps you meant to equate Republicans with child abusers and got all mixed up? Once you start demonizing it must be difficult to keep track.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Wimpy Marathon County Labor Council gave in and decided to allow republicans to join the parade. I cannot stand people who make decisions and don't hold their ground.

The Republicans get to join the parade. Too bad for them they all probably secretly wish that the council would have held fast. Not just because it would have been good pr for them but more importantly they wouldn't have to be in a parade.

 

[SOAD]

Perhaps you meant to equate Republicans with child abusers and got all mixed up? Once you start demonizing it must be difficult to keep track.

Sorry if your cannot understand my words. Apparently you missed something. I cannot help you

 

[okafor]

I'm a proud Wisconsinite, thankfully former Minnesotan, and I'm having a good chuckle over this leftist tantrum. I expect to see many more entertainingly futile spasms after 2012.

There will be many. Liberals are so convinced they're right, and that conservatives are not only wrong but evil, that they're willing to use ANY method to overturn elections.

 

[SOAD]

There will be many. Liberals are so convinced they're right, and that conservatives are not only wrong but evil, that they're willing to use ANY method to overturn elections.

Conservatives are so convinced they're right, and that liberals are not only wrong but evil, that they're willing to use ANY method to overturn elections. Just look at the SCOTUS giving the election to Bush!