NObama

[RETS]

Is it really appropriate to traipse around with all of this NObama stuff and to continually bash the president on a personal level? I don't agree with his policies, but how does bashing (not the same as disagreeing) him make Christians look in the eyes of nonbelievers? I know in my town, nonbelievers find Christians hateful, hypocritical, and disrespectful because of their treatment of our President, and it breaks my heart, because politics turns them away from the faith.

So, again (and I am a proponent of political involvement and voting and etc.) is it worthy it to have that disrespectful bumper sticker, I mean, really?

I dislike Obama, and that is on a personal and political level.

With that said, I am not going to stoop to the same level he has in his life's history so far. Thus, I also dislike that NObama stuff. I don't have a problem with people putting a hammer and scythe in his campaign "O" because that's a strictly political symbol. The attitude that often goes along with that, though- That's what bothers me.

I'm 40. And Canadian.

Obama is the most ineffectual President of my lifetime.

Most Americans seem to vote for hype rather than substance, and that's sad. America actually has me thinking that democracy doesn't work. Because the majority of people are idiots and they elect idiots to govern them. At least the idiots on the right elect strong leaders, the idiots on the left elect people just because they can give a speech even though they have no experience.

America used to be such an amazing country, and now you're throwing it all away. It's so sad.

Sadly, you have several true and accurate points. However, I do believe in the iron will of the American soul, as it was once called. People will come to their senses, and it has already begun. Ironically enough, we have Obama to thank for that.

I dunno about you, but as I've been learning recently, Bush is about as strong a right-winger as a skinny kid holding a 50 lb. bag of salt pellets.

And that's the truth of the matter. He was a strong president, yes- But his conservatism left a great deal to be desired.

 

[RETS]

The US is an oligarchic republic. Always has been, always will be with the current constitution in place. It was designed that way because the founding fathers knew democracy was essentially mob rule when you have a large population.

I beg to differ. This country began as a Democratic Republic. (Seems I've been through this once before...) Currently, it still holds as such, but there are beginning to show shades of socialism. This is NOT acceptable, and I don't give a rat's behind who disagrees with me on that point.

Furthermore, the Constitution is perhaps one of the most perfect governing documents humanly possible. So ahead of it's time, in fact, that even the writers did not have a proper intellectual grasp of what they had written. E.G. "All men equal" referring to mankind, and not the male gender or the Caucasian persuasion.

So democracy doesn't work unless you have less than 50 people. And even then, I doubt it it because you will have lazy people whom will not want to vote on every single issue.

That would be a strict democracy, which is why this is a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC. We DEMOCRATICALLY elect our governing members, who then serve in office for a period of time, then we DEMOCRATICALLY elect AGAIN. Where we have begun to stray, however, is that these same governing members are supposed to govern solely according to the Constitution. They have not been.

Shhh - we don't allow inconvenient truths around here.

Oh, maybe I'm in the wrong place then... I was pretty certain that part of Christianity was a LOVE OF THE TRUTH.

Oh-- That does not exempt non-Christians from an allegiance to the truth. It's just that everyone in general seems to have a completely separate idea of what truth is.

Good. Stay away.

That was rude, dude.

You appear to be unaware that I'm one of the strongest non-American supporters of America on this board. Many will attest to this.

Why should I care? You just threw away America with your "used to be such an amazing country". You do not support America; you simply pay lip service to America when people of your political ilk are running this country. Now they aren't and you claim we used to be such an amazing country. Please spare me the support baloney.

I can attest to his support. Yours, on the other hand, seems lacking in that you do not exemplify the necessary ability to take observance and compare it to the government over you. I would remind you of Ben Franklin and his now ominous words:

...a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles...is absolutely necessary to preserve the blessings of liberty and keep a government free.

In other words, without the necessary contrast between what the government is now versus what it was formed to be, we will no longer have it.


By the way- You need to apologize to Avatar.

 

[Benevolous]

How about continuing one - ala Afghanistan?

I would LOVE to know where all the anti-war protestors are at the moment on that issue - most likely sitting around in their college dorms waiting for someone for whom they didn't vote to incite their ideological passions and anti-war fervor once again.

For that matter, whatever happened to all of the people who went on and on about how awful Gitmo is and how it should be shut down immediately.

Funny how they all disappeared right after Obama was elected.

 

[SOAD]

I can attest to his support. Yours, on the other hand, seems lacking in that you do not exemplify the necessary ability to take observance and compare it to the government over you. I would remind you of Ben Franklin and his now ominous words:

You, who has been on this forum for one month can attest to his pro-American support. That is funny!

Me, on the other hand, actually lives in America. I support America good or bad, I pay taxes and I criticize the government when needed. I do not need some foreigner telling me how much they support my country!

By the way- You need to apologize to Avatar.

I need do no such thing, especially when the demand comes from you.

 

[lordbt]

You build a strawman named bipartisanship, then burn it. Then come the pats on the back from a comrade. acropolis said nothing about a bipartisan war.

The thread about the paid trolls is about political partisans posting on discussion websites. Kos never paid the trolls in question, and CF is not paying political trolls, so your attempt at humor is confused an falls short. CF would pay Christians to spread the word of God. Considering you claim to be atheist, I doubt you would be paid here.

Thanks for the great contributions.

 

[RETS]

You, who has been on this forum for one month can attest to his pro-American support. That is funny!

Yeah- Cuz we've had more discussion than what is made public on the forum. You don't strike me as the kind of person willing to get to know anyone at all. In fact, you strike me as far more of an isolationist than anything.

Me, on the other hand, actually lives in America. I support America good or bad, I pay taxes and I criticize the government when needed. I do not need some foreigner telling me how much they support my country!

Then you are a foolish one.

I need do no such thing, especially when the demand comes from you.

Yeah, actually- You do. Whether the demand comes from me or not, it's the right thing to do. Otherwise, well... You need far more help than any one person can offer.

 

[SOAD]

Yeah- Cuz we've had more discussion than what is made public on the forum.

I do not believe you.

You don't strike me as the kind of person willing to get to know anyone at all. In fact, you strike me as far more of an isolationist than anything.

So, now you are a psychologist?

Then you are a foolish one.

For supporting my country through good and bad times? If you are a psychologist, perhaps you should examine yourself?

Yeah, actually- You do. Whether the demand comes from me or not, it's the right thing to do. Otherwise, well... You need far more help than any one person can offer.

says the psychologist

You are just another wannabe on the internet. Sad that you think yourself better than others when you are not.

 

[RETS]

I do not believe you.

That's your problem; not mine.

So, now you are a psychologist?

Didn't read my intro, did you? Ah well... Can't blame you.

For supporting my country through good and bad times? If you are a psychologist, perhaps you should examine yourself?

No- For blindly supporting. The definition of insanity is continuing the same behavior while expecting different results. Blindly supporting one's country falls under this definition when the government continues to erode personal freedoms while it's blind supporters continue their support, expecting things to be made right "any time now."

As for self examination, I do that on a near daily basis. Today I have noted that my level of sarcasm has dropped nearly 25%. That's a milestone for me.

says the psychologist

Thank you. If you recognized the pattern I had, you might realize one doesn't need to be a psychologist to figure you out. You reject the support of others merely because they are not US citizens, and equally dismiss the criticisms of other non-citizens. You despise friend and foe alike if they are not flying a US flag. This is consistent with Isolationist methodology.

You are just another wannabe on the internet. Sad that you think yourself better than others when you are not.

I don't think myself better- At all. Merely better informed than some, and less informed than others; more mature than many, and less mature than some; more intelligent than quite a few, less intelligent than others, and on the level with far more.
I have a pretty realistic view of myself. You, on the other hand, have just managed to lambaste two individuals within five posts, believing yourself to be completely in the right; and even now, you think nothing of it. Your self awareness is lacking considerably, son. Unless, of course, you're aware that your behavior is consistent with that of a schoolyard braggart- In which case, by all means... Carry on; you will anyway.

 

[MichaelHelp]

To be fair during the last term of George W Bush's presidency most online political forums were probably overflowing with "George Bush sucks" type stuff. Even before that there was some of the whacked out conspiracy theory crap, think "9/11 inside job" stuff.

 

[Avatar]

I do not believe you.

In fact, he's telling the truth. We have.

Anyway, you've made your feelings clear and I'm not going to argue about it with you. I bid you a good day.

 

[SOAD]

In fact, he's telling the truth. We have.

Anyway, you've made your feelings clear and I'm not going to argue about it with you. I bid you a good day.

I do not believe you either. You do not support America, so stop blowing your Canadian air up our skirts because it is nothing but arctic wind.

 

[RETS]

Did someone hear Balaam's ride braying?

 

[SOAD]

Did someone hear Balaam's ride braying?

Aren't you the clever one using cryptic insults. I cannot understand why people online spend time trying to convince other anonymous people that they are telling the truth and using another anonymous poster as proof! Pathetic. Funnier yet is a person who has spent probably a full year of actual time on this forum posting using a multitude of aliases, just to get a massive amount of posts and quality points. For all I know he holds conversations with himself here.

 

[Avatar]

What can I say other than I'm glad most Americans aren't like you.

 

[SOAD]

I'm just Telling it like it is



Sorry I am not your average right-winged Fox News watching nut job.

can I have some reps?

 

[Avatar]

Sorry I am not your average right-winged Fox News watching nut job.

Clearly you're not. Bitter, angry, right-winged Fox News watching nut job would be more accurate.

You've really got to put away all that anger, friend, it'll eat you up inside. Not good for the ole ticker.

 

[RETS]

Aren't you the clever one using cryptic insults.

That was actually an attempt at humor- Judging from your reaction, I'm guessing it worked.

 

[SOAD]

You've really got to put away all that anger, friend, it'll eat you up inside. Not good for the ole ticker.

I am a HUGE Canadian supporter, however Canada used to be such an amazing country, and now you're throwing it all away. It's so sad.

I have people here who can collaborate my story.

 

[SOAD]

That was actually an attempt at humor

Humor at the expense of others is not humor. Apparently you do not tell it like it is.

 

[lordbt]

Humor at the expense of others is not humor.

Of course it is. Just because you may not find a joke made at your expense funny, doesnt mean it isnt.