NObama

[coreydstone]

Is it really appropriate to traipse around with all of this NObama stuff and to continually bash the president on a personal level? I don't agree with his policies, but how does bashing (not the same as disagreeing) him make Christians look in the eyes of nonbelievers? I know in my town, nonbelievers find Christians hateful, hypocritical, and disrespectful because of their treatment of our President, and it breaks my heart, because politics turns them away from the faith.

So, again (and I am a proponent of political involvement and voting and etc.) is it worthy it to have that disrespectful bumper sticker, I mean, really?

" 1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience. 6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor." - Romans 13:1-7


"10 And in fact, you do love all of God’s family throughout Macedonia. Yet we urge you, brothers and sisters, to do so more and more, 11 and to make it your ambition to lead a quiet life: You should mind your own business and work with your hands, just as we told you, 12 so that your daily life may win the respect of outsiders and so that you will not be dependent on anybody." - I Thessalonians 4:10-12


" 9 Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates a brother or sister is still in the darkness. 10 Anyone who loves their brother and sister lives in the light, and there is nothing in them to make them stumble. 11 But anyone who hates a brother or sister is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness. They do not know where they are going, because the darkness has blinded them. " - I John 2:9-11


" 13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people. 16 Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. 17 Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor. " - I Peter 2:13-17

~Peace & Blessings

 

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I'm 40. And Canadian.

Obama is the most ineffectual President of my lifetime.

Most Americans seem to vote for hype rather than substance, and that's sad. America actually has me thinking that democracy doesn't work. Because the majority of people are idiots and they elect idiots to govern them. At least the idiots on the right elect strong leaders, the idiots on the left elect people just because they can give a speech even though they have no experience.

America used to be such an amazing country, and now you're throwing it all away. It's so sad.

 

[Douger]

I'm 40. And Canadian.

Obama is the most ineffectual President of my lifetime.

Most Americans seem to vote for hype rather than substance, and that's sad. America actually has me thinking that democracy doesn't work. Because the majority of people are idiots and they elect idiots to govern them. At least the idiots on the right elect strong leaders, the idiots on the left elect people just because they can give a speech even though they have no experience.

America used to be such an amazing country, and now you're throwing it all away. It's so sad.

I'll take an ineffectual leftist over a strong right winger any day. Why would you, I, or anyone want a president to be more effective at hurting more people?

 

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I'll take an ineffectual leftist over a strong right winger any day. Why would you, I, or anyone want a president to be more effective at hurting more people?

Who said I wanted a President more effective at hurting people? Is that one of those Strawman arguments you on the left always accuse us on the right of employing?

I want a President capable of protecting the interests of America and the western world globally. The US most certainly did that in the last century, and we (again, I'm a Canadian), we in the western world are grateful. America defended freedom and democracy, and I want to see her continue to do so.

Sorry if that seems abhorrent to you.

 

[Harpuia]

I'll take an ineffectual leftist over a strong right winger any day. Why would you, I, or anyone want a president to be more effective at hurting more people?

I dunno about you, but as I've been learning recently, Bush is about as strong a right-winger as a skinny kid holding a 50 lb. bag of salt pellets.

 

[Douger]

Who said I wanted a President more effective at hurting people? Is that one of those Strawman arguments you on the left always accuse us on the right of employing?

Me on the left? Care to explain where you came up with that?

I want a President capable of protecting the interests of America and the western world globally. The US most certainly did that in the last century, and we (again, I'm a Canadian), we in the western world are grateful. America defended freedom and democracy, and I want to see her continue to do so.

Well you could have specified this. When you mentioned presidents that idiots on the Right have picked, you bring to mind certain recent ones that have done none of the above.

 

[acropolis]

Who said I wanted a President more effective at hurting people? Is that one of those Strawman arguments you on the left always accuse us on the right of employing?

I want a President capable of protecting the interests of America and the western world globally. The US most certainly did that in the last century, and we (again, I'm a Canadian), we in the western world are grateful. America defended freedom and democracy, and I want to see her continue to do so.

Sorry if that seems abhorrent to you.

Starting a war on specious grounds which kills tens of thousands of civilians is in no way 'defending freedom and democracy' and is, in fact, quite abhorrent.

 

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Starting a war on specious grounds which kills tens of thousands of civilians is in no way 'defending freedom and democracy' and is, in fact, quite abhorrent.

What war are you talking about? Or do you not understand what the words 'last century' mean? Another one of those strawmen, yes? Or maybe I misunderstand you and you're actually talking about Vietnam. Is that it? Were you talking about Vietnam?

 

[acropolis]

What war are you talking about? Or do you not understand what the words 'last century' mean? Another one of those strawmen, yes? Or maybe I misunderstand you and you're actually talking about Vietnam. Is that it? Were you talking about Vietnam?

I am specifically talking about the Iraq war, but Vietnam would work just as well. Both occurred in the last 100 years, and both were foolish bloodbaths which accomplished nothing besides death, suffering, and a lot of spent money. The US has often done things to hurt the cause of freedom and justice worldwide, those two wars are good examples of that.

 

[EdwinWillers]

Starting a war on specious grounds which kills tens of thousands of civilians is in no way 'defending freedom and democracy' and is, in fact, quite abhorrent.

How about continuing one - ala Afghanistan?

I would LOVE to know where all the anti-war protestors are at the moment on that issue - most likely sitting around in their college dorms waiting for someone for whom they didn't vote to incite their ideological passions and anti-war fervor once again.

 

[new_wine]

There are no democracies in this world. You cannot have one. Just like you cannot have communism.

The US is an oligarchic republic. Always has been, always will be with the current constitution in place. It was designed that way because the founding fathers knew democracy was essentially mob rule when you have a large population.

Most nations are oligarchic republics. They may have socialist, democratic, communist, capitalist, etc. reforms and ideals, but they are not those things purely.

So democracy doesn't work unless you have less than 50 people. And even then, I doubt it it because you will have lazy people whom will not want to vote on every single issue.

America actually has me thinking that democracy doesn't work.

 

[lordbt]

I am specifically talking about the Iraq war, but Vietnam would work just as well. Both occurred in the last 100 years, and both were foolish bloodbaths which accomplished nothing besides death, suffering, and a lot of spent money. The US has often done things to hurt the cause of freedom and justice worldwide, those two wars are good examples of that.

Are they? How do you figure that? And as for Iraq, Bush asked for and received Congressional approval for that war by votes of 296-133 in the House and 77-23 in the Senate. There is that bipartisanship you folks on the left are always whining about.

 

[EdwinWillers]

Are they? How do you figure that? And as for Iraq, Bush asked for and received Congressional approval for that war by votes of 296-133 in the House and 77-23 in the Senate. There is that bipartisanship you folks on the left are always whining about.

Shhh - we don't allow inconvenient truths around here.

 

[lordbt]

Shhh - we don't allow inconvenient truths around here.

Sorry. Sometimes I just get carried away. (Gee, I hope CF wont stop paying me for my posts because of this)

 

[EdwinWillers]

Sorry. Sometimes I just get carried away. (Gee, I hope CF wont stop paying me for my posts because of this)

LOL - well at least someone is making money under Obama.

 

[SOAD]

Are they? How do you figure that? And as for Iraq, Bush asked for and received Congressional approval for that war by votes of 296-133 in the House and 77-23 in the Senate. There is that bipartisanship you folks on the left are always whining about.

You build a strawman named bipartisanship, then burn it. Then come the pats on the back from a comrade. acropolis said nothing about a bipartisan war.

 

[SOAD]

Sorry. Sometimes I just get carried away. (Gee, I hope CF wont stop paying me for my posts because of this)

The thread about the paid trolls is about political partisans posting on discussion websites. Kos never paid the trolls in question, and CF is not paying political trolls, so your attempt at humor is confused an falls short. CF would pay Christians to spread the word of God. Considering you claim to be atheist, I doubt you would be paid here.

 

[SOAD]

America used to be such an amazing country, and now you're throwing it all away. It's so sad.

Good. Stay away.

 

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Good. Stay away.

You appear to be unaware that I'm one of the strongest non-American supporters of America on this board. Many will attest to this.

 

[SOAD]

You appear to be unaware that I'm one of the strongest non-American supporters of America on this board. Many will attest to this.

Why should I care? You just threw away America with your "used to be such an amazing country". You do not support America; you simply pay lip service to America when people of your political ilk are running this country. Now they aren't and you claim we used to be such an amazing country. Please spare me the support baloney.