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I agree.
Does the same apply to attacking Jesus?
Has anyone been attacking Jesus?
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I agree.
Does the same apply to attacking Jesus?
Explain this quote:
At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace the savage races throughout the world.
Thank you, Red, for the info.Please note that this quote refers to an hypothetical evolution process over the course of centuries and you can therefore be fairly confident that he was refering to an accidental result of human evolution. So this quote does not carry the moral weight of a equating Darwinian struggle for survival with the Holocaust in this context. It does however represent a 'train of thought' which, when taken to the point of absurdity and combined with industrial technologies and organisation, that eventually led to the holocaust.
What about trying to convince them on the basis of a literal translation of the Bible?
I was thinking in this thread.Historically ?
Yes.
I was thinking in this thread.
So far we have:If they are Christians who believe in Evolution, and your goal is to make them Christians who do not believe in Evolution, then probably that could work.
If they are non-Christians who believe in Evolution, I don't see why/how it could work.
So far we have:
Anything else we can try that won't work?
- Don't try to convince them by attacking Darwin.
- Don't try to convince them with a literal interpretation of the Bible.
How would you convince them?
Since I believe [instant] creation is the antithesis of evolution, I believe that all you would have to do is convince an evolutionist of [instant] creation.On page 3 of this thread I said: You cannot convince them to reconsider the theory of evolution except by discrediting the theory itself.
Since I believe [instant] creation is the antithesis of evolution, I believe that all you would have to do is convince an evolutionist of [instant] creation.
HOWEVER, I also believe that it is the job of the Holy Ghost to convince us of [instant] creation -- not ours.
Therefore, in my opinion, one cannot proselytize an evolutionist into a creationist, unless the Holy Ghost helps him.
It looks like you're smart enough to fight fire with fire.Personally I would use a cognitive argument that goes something like this:
Since I believe [instant] creation is the antithesis of evolution, I believe that all you would have to do is convince an evolutionist of [instant] creation.
HOWEVER, I also believe that it is the job of the Holy Ghost to convince us of [instant] creation -- not ours.
Therefore, in my opinion, one cannot proselytize an evolutionist into a creationist, unless the Holy Ghost helps him.
It looks like you're smart enough to fight fire with fire.
My method is the opposite.
I try to fight fire with water.
In other words, I fight evolution with its antithesis: instant creation.
Either way, it will take the Holy Ghost to settle the matter in their hearts.
I'm with you on this, my friend." I believe that all you would have to do is convince an evolutionist of [instant] creation."
Yes and I am trying to answer how to convince people to believe in Creationism/instant creation.
Do we attack Charles Darwin, whom Evolutionists do not care about at all, or do we try to discredit the theory itself using logical arguments and observations ?
You're trying to make people believe in instant creation.
I don't think his question was about whether anyone was attacking Jesus in this thread.
Personally I would use a cognitive argument that goes something like this:
You (speaking to the person who believes in Darwinism/Evolution) have not actually seen proof of evolution.
You only believe that there is proof of evolution. You believe, you don't actually know it for a fact.
Hence you believe in proof, you haven't actually seen proof, of Darwinism/Evolution/whatever you want to call it.
No Darwinist you’ll ever meet will prove to you that Darwinism is true.
They simply say, “the scientists have the proof, and we basically take them at their word.
I haven’t seen the proof myself, I’m just a layman, but my school told me Darwinism was true, so it must be true. Why would my school, or the scientists, lie?”
The people we’ll meet, they know they don’t have the proof, (and will never be able to show it,) they just contend that if Darwinism is not true, the implications are too severe.
The institutional, robotic and progressively debased thinking of scientists, or even intentional lying, would be suggested as the inevitable implication of Darwinism not being true.
And either of those alternatives is too much for them to handle.
That is to say, the social implication(s) of Darwinism not being true is so shocking and far-reaching most will simply not pursue the thought any further.
Hence their belief in Evolution is not based on proof, it is based on various social factors.
They might say:
“How did Darwinism become so popular in the western world, if not because it is true?”
The social phenomenon of the spreading of Darwinism follows the same pattern as any ideology, without proof coming into the picture.
Attaching itself to existing social concerns and providing an explanation and justification for things, the -ism named after Darwin was popularized, and like most -isms in the modern world, it was (in all likelihood) popularized through conscious propaganda effort, with the purpose of using the ideology unto certain social ends.
So in short my argument touches on how the belief in Evolution became popular and how it remains popular in an objective, analytical way. I don't even deal with things that I personally think Darwinists/Evolutionists don't care about.
If you are missionizing Muslims, there is no need to bring up (ie. attack or discredit the idea of) Nephites.
If you are missionizing Mormons, there is no need to bring up (ie. attack or discredit the idea of) the Quran.
So far we have:
Anything else we can try that won't work?
- Don't try to convince them by attacking Darwin.
- Don't try to convince them with a literal interpretation of the Bible.
How would you convince them?