My Darwin Quote Challenge

[AV1611VET]

Explain this quote:

At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace the savage races throughout the world.

 

[[serious]]

Well, do YOU see any Moabites around?

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, do YOU see any Moabites around?

I think they left the building before Mr. Darwin showed up.

Unless he was speaking per fidem.

 

[[serious]]

At some past period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the chosen race of God has almost certainly exterminated, and replaced the savage races throughout the promised land.

 

[AV1611VET]

At some past period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the chosen race of God has almost certainly exterminated, and replaced the savage races throughout the promised land.

Darwin would have been proud.

 

[MerlinJ]

Your quote is taken completely out of context. He wasn't advocating the killing non-whites. He was addressing objections about why our nearest living relatives in the animal kingdom don't look more like us.

The great break in the organic chain between man and his nearest allies, which cannot be bridged over by any extinct or living species, has often been advanced as a grave objection to the belief that man is descended from some lower form; but this objection will not appear of much weight to those who, from general reasons, believe in the general principle of evolution. Breaks often occur in all parts of the series, some being wide, sharp and defined, others less so in various degrees; as between the orang and its nearest allies—between the Tarsius and the other Lemuridae between the elephant, and in a more striking manner between the Ornithorhynchus or Echidna, and all other mammals. But these breaks depend merely on the number of related forms which have become extinct. At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Hermann Schaaffhausen|Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.

http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?pageseq=213&itemID=F937.1&viewtype=side

 

[[serious]]

Your quote is taken completely out of context. He wasn't advocating the killing non-whites. He was addressing objections about why our nearest living relatives in the animal kingdom don't look more like us.

At some future period, not very distant as measured by posts, the cherry picked quotes of men will almost certainly be propagated, and replace the original context throughout the forum.

 

[AV1611VET]

Your quote is taken completely out of context. He wasn't advocating the killing non-whites.

If you're talking to me, I wasn't advocating no such thing.

I just asked for an explanation of a single sentence attributed to him.

 

[MerlinJ]

Right. You're just asking questions that happen make him sound like a vicious racist.

 

[AV1611VET]

Here we go.

At some future period, not very distant as measured by posts, the cherry picked quotes of men will almost certainly be propagated, and replace the original context throughout the forum.

Should I have quoted his entire, Preservation of Favoured Races, and hilit that one sentence?

 

[AV1611VET]

Right. You're just asking questions that happen make him sound like a vicious racist.

Again, if you're talking to me, I never said he was vicious.

 

[lesliedellow]

Explain this quote:

Darwin was just echoing the common belief of his time that Europeans (and their descendants) were somehow superior to everybody else. The famously religious Americans did a fair job of trying to exterminate native Americans, as I remember it. There is nothing in Darwin's writings to suggest that he would have supported such a policy.

 

[[serious]]

Here we go.

Should I have quoted his entire, Preservation of Favoured Races, and hilit that one sentence?

We could start with the sentence before and after:

http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?pageseq=213&itemID=F937.1&viewtype=side

But all these breaks depend merely on the number of related forms which have become extinct. At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated.​

Kind of sloppy to start with a conjunction though. Let's back up until the sentences stop obviously referencing previous sentences. Maybe finish out the paragraph too since we are basically there.

The great break in the organic chain between man and his nearest allies, which cannot be bridged over by any extinct or living species, has often been advanced as a grave objection to the belief that man is descended from some lower form; but this objection will not appear of much weight to those who, convinced by general reasons, believe in the general principle of evolution. Breaks incessantly occur in all parts of the series, some being wide, sharp and defined, others less so in various degrees; as between the orang and its nearest allies—between the Tarsius and the other Lemuridæ [JSW: Tarsiers and Lemurs]—between the elephant and in a more striking manner between the Ornithorhynchus [JSW: platypus] or Echidna, and other mammals. But all these breaks depend merely on the number of related forms which have become extinct. At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated. The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.
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[[serious]]

Darwin was just echoing the common belief of his time that Europeans (and their descendants) were somehow superior to everybody else. The famously religious Americans did a fair job of trying to exterminate native Americans, as I remember it. There is nothing in Darwin's writings to suggest that he would have supported such a policy.

Unsurprising that he would conflate cultural differences and heritable differences since his work predated modern understanding of genetics.

 

[AV1611VET]

The famously religious Americans did a fair job of trying to exterminate native Americans, as I remember it.

They did a poor job then.

I'm still around.

 

[Chinbits]

Darwin would have been proud.

Then God must be proud of Darwin.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then God must be proud of Darwin.

I doubt it.

Proverbs 14:3a In the mouth of the foolish is a rod of pride:

 

[HitchSlap]

Explain this quote:

Why?

 

[Smidlee]

Darwin knew in his day for his theory to have any chance of being accepted he would have to put the white man on top as being more civilized.

 

[HitchSlap]

Darwin knew in his day for his theory to have any chance of being accepted he would have to put the white man on top as being more civilized.

Right, because there was no chance Victorian England already thought that.