More Vote Fraud that Never Happens

[NightHawkeye]

I explained it in subsequent posts. The "voter fraud that never exists" is a certain type of vote fraud (i.e. in-person, at the polls, post-registration) and it's extreme rarity is brought up as an argument against the alleged need for voter id laws.

Let's go with that then.

So, who exactly do you believe is "voting" in place of the deceased voters? And why would voter ID not help solve that problem? (Not that the OP had anything to do with voter ID.)

 

[iluvatar5150]

Let's go with that then.

So, who exactly do you believe is "voting" in place of the deceased voters?

I don't know. Possibly no one. It's possible these are merely clerical errors with a legitimate voter voting and their vote merely being assigned to the wrong person.

And why would voter ID not help solve that problem?

Voter ID does nothing to fix clerical errors.

The article doesn't specify the form of voting (i.e. in-person, mail-in, etc) for each of the errant votes. If the errant votes were done by mail, then voter ID laws don't stop that, either.

(Not that the OP had anything to do with voter ID.)

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[NightHawkeye]

I don't know. Possibly no one. It's possible these are merely clerical errors with a legitimate voter voting and their vote merely being assigned to the wrong person.

Voter ID does nothing to fix clerical errors.

The article doesn't specify the form of voting (i.e. in-person, mail-in, etc) for each of the errant votes. If the errant votes were done by mail, then voter ID laws don't stop that, either.

Not seeing an effective argument there, Iluvatar.

Voter ID will no doubt fix some of the allegedly "clerical" errors. For example, drivers licenses have expiration dates, consequently dead people will only be able to vote for the few years left on their driver's licenses but not after the expiration date.

That would apply to early voting by mail as well.

 

[pat34lee]

It isn't that it never happens, but that in person fraud is exceedingly rare, easily stopped without IDs and dwarfed massively by mail in fraud where anyone can pretty much send in the ballot.

It may be a smaller problem, but a problem
nonetheless. The same as hackable voting
machines and ballot box stuffing. They all
need to be dealt with ASAP.

 

[pat34lee]

Voter ID does nothing to fix clerical errors.

It will stop those who seek to vote multiple times,
whether in one or multiple precincts, those who
would vote under a false name or those not eligible
to vote at all.

 

[Loudmouth]

Let's go with that then.

So, who exactly do you believe is "voting" in place of the deceased voters? And why would voter ID not help solve that problem? (Not that the OP had anything to do with voter ID.)

Less than 300 votes among millions isn't a problem.

 

[Loudmouth]

It will stop those who seek to vote multiple times,
whether in one or multiple precincts, those who
would vote under a false name or those not eligible
to vote at all.

And how many people are voting multiple times?

 

[NightHawkeye]

Less than 300 votes among millions isn't a problem.

LOL, we seem to find a few hundred here, a few hundred there. It adds up to more than a few hanging chads.

 

[Loudmouth]

LOL, we seem to find a few hundred here, a few hundred there. It adds up to more than a few hanging chads.

So you have no argument?

 

[KWCrazy]

In many states not for free and not easily.

In much of the world voting is not free and easy. If dead people and illegals did not vote we wouldn't need voter ID laws.

 

[NightHawkeye]

So you have no argument?

It was more argument than you presented.

 

[Arcangl86]

In much of the world voting is not free and easy. If dead people and illegals did not vote we wouldn't need voter ID laws.

Oh we could have more strick voter registration laws.

 

[Vylo]

Neither Scott Walker nor any Republican crafted a law to disallow military votes. That's something Democrats do, mainly because the military tends to vote Republican. However, military ID is allowed in Wisconsin. The US Uniformed Services card is accepted. A Military Veteran Affairs ID is not.

Active Military and Permanent Overseas voters are NOT required to provide a photo ID when they vote by absentee ballot, but if they vote in-person, they must present photo ID.

Actually He did. They crafted the voter ID laws that disenfranchised veterans. That may not have been their intention, but it was the result.

 

[Judahs_Lion]

It isn't that it never happens, but that in person fraud is exceedingly rare, easily stopped without IDs and dwarfed massively by mail in fraud where anyone can pretty much send in the ballot.

How is in person voter fraud stopped without ID?

 

[Judahs_Lion]

Oh we could have more strick voter registration laws.

Many states require a photo identification in order to register to vote. In those cases showing ID to prove you are the person who is listed on the roster at your specific polling place shouldn't be an issue.

 

[KWCrazy]

Requiring ID doesn't disenfranchise voters.

 

[Vylo]

How is in person voter fraud stopped without ID?

In my town they have you sign when you vote. So as long as you vote, no one can steal your vote. If you aren't on the list of registered voters, you don't get to vote.

 

[Vylo]

Requiring ID doesn't disenfranchise voters.

It can and has. You have to accept common forms of ID, make ID free and easily available. That hasn't happened, so many get shut out.

 

[Judahs_Lion]

In my town they have you sign when you vote. So as long as you vote, no one can steal your vote. If you aren't on the list of registered voters, you don't get to vote.

My home state requires photo ID to register. Then at the polling place you have to show your voter card or a picture ID and then sign.

I have no issue with photo ID at poling places. Voting is a citizen right. One vote per person. How else do we insure it is a person permitted to vote if we don't insure that one person registered, who likely showed ID when registering, is the one now voting at the polls?

 

[Judahs_Lion]

Requiring ID doesn't disenfranchise voters.

No, it doesn't. We vote every four years. Anyone on public assistance has ID. Anyone who doesn't drive can afford a state ID card. At less than 10$ in most cases it is easily afforded even if someone thinks they need to save up for those four years.

With the influx of undocumented people into America, we have to protect the vote that is a citizens Constitutional right.