Majority of White Americans Say They Believe Whites Face Discrimination

[Ana the Ist]

The implication that the majority of black people can't be oppressed because some of them are able to become sports stars or presidents is ridiculous. Especially since that was the first black president after a string of 42 white ones.

To be fair, it's not just celebrities or sports stars...there's surgeons, lawyers, top level scientists, supreme court justices, mayors, governors, and business owners of all kinds.

If you genuinely believe that society is so unfair to blacks that they cannot achieve their goals without widespread changes...how do you explain all the successful black people?

 

[Audacious]

To be fair, it's not just celebrities or sports stars...there's surgeons, lawyers, top level scientists, supreme court justices, mayors, governors, and business owners of all kinds.

If you genuinely believe that society is so unfair to blacks that they cannot achieve their goals without widespread changes...how do you explain all the successful black people?

Society needs widespread changes to make it easier for black people to become successful, because without those changes, it is much more difficult for them to be those things. It's not a coincidence that there are far fewer black doctors than white ones, for instance.

One black president doesn't outweigh thirty-seven million black non-presidents.

 

[Audacious]

Then how many presidents with black skin have to be voted into office as president before the accusations of oppression (as a race) stops?

None, because it has very little to do with the issue of oppression.

How many black people have to be celebrities and politicians? How many need to become millionaires and billionaires? The more I see black people succeeding, the less credibility the idea of them being "oppressed" has.

Celebrities, millionaires and billionaires are very tiny portions of the population, and do not represent a majority in any real way.

Oppression makes it more difficult to be successful; it doesn't make it impossible. This should not be difficult to understand.

 

[Aldebaran]

Society needs widespread changes to make it easier for black people to become successful, because without those changes, it is much more difficult for them to be those things. It's not a coincidence that there are far fewer black doctors than white ones, for instance.

Since there are far fewer blacks versus whites and other races in this country, it is no surprise that what you say is true here.

One black president doesn't outweigh thirty-seven million black non-presidents.

37,000,000 black non-presidents? What about all the white presidents? Do they outweigh the 310 million white non presidents?

 

[Aldebaran]

None, because it has very little to do with the issue of oppression.

Oh, sure! As if just anybody becomes a president! No privilege, no connections, no fame. Just a poor, oppressed black person suddenly just becomes president. Sure!

Celebrities, millionaires and billionaires are very tiny portions of the population, and do not represent a majority in any real way.

Yes, they are a tiny portion. But they are the ones who are the most successful, the most loved, the most admired, the most invested in, the most connected, etc. Doesn't sound much like oppression to me.

 

[Barney]

There is little to no systematic racism against white people in the real world.

No systematic racism against whites? Either your live in a cave and never heard of things like "Affirmative Action" or you're a Democrat who doesn't care telling the truth.

 

[Barney]

....yet somehow, there's a lot of highly successful, well educated, and influential black people at every level of U.S. society.

Obama got more votes than any white president before or after him. Funny how a racist society seems to not hurt a black presidential candidate by a single vote.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Society needs widespread changes to make it easier for black people to become successful, because without those changes, it is much more difficult for them to be those things. It's not a coincidence that there are far fewer black doctors than white ones, for instance.

I don't know what you mean by "coincidence" in the statement above. What exactly about our society is it that makes it so much more difficult for blacks to become doctors?

One black president doesn't outweigh thirty-seven million black non-presidents.

You say that like it has anything to do with my post.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Obama got more votes than any white president before or after him. Funny how a racist society seems to not hurt a black presidential candidate by a single vote.

...I'm sure that has something to do with his popularity, and something to do with the increase in population.

The point is though that regardless of the circumstances they were born into...blacks all over the nation have gone on to lead successful lives.

 

[Ana the Ist]

No systematic racism against whites? Either your live in a cave and never heard of things like "Affirmative Action" or you're a Democrat who doesn't care telling the truth.

I think you either quoted the wrong person on accident...or you changed my post to say something I didn't say.

If it's the former, no worries, just edit it and fix the mistake please. If it's the latter, I would want you to know it's against the rules and I'd like an apology.

 

[Barney]

I think you either quoted the wrong person on accident...or you changed my post to say something I didn't say.

If it's the former, no worries, just edit it and fix the mistake please. If it's the latter, I would want you to know it's against the rules and I'd like an apology.

Sorry.... But, it's pretty bad form of you to assume I would deliberately attribute someone else's quote to you.

 

[Barney]

...I'm sure that has something to do with his popularity, and something to do with the increase in population.

Lame. Obama got more votes than either Trump or Hillary, who came along after Obama, after the population increased. And, the population didn't increase enough to offset much racism against blacks, from the previous election. And, regardless of population growth, an inexperienced, previously unknown, far-left black candidate still trounced a white candidate in the election, twice (and white candidates in the Democrat primaries).

The point is though that regardless of the circumstances they were born into...blacks all over the nation have gone on to lead successful lives.

The point is, there's no evidence of systematic racism in America against blacks. Just the opposite, in fact. A white Obama wouldn't have made it to the White House. When measured by objective performance criteria, blacks are "more successful" than whites. The most concrete example is black SAT scores vs. college admissions.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Sorry.... But, it's pretty bad form of you to assume I would deliberately attribute someone else's quote to you.

You did...and you're arguing against points I never made.

And instead of fixing your mistakes...you're trying to shame me. Are you really 24? Try acting like a big boy and owning up to your mistakes.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Lame. Obama got more votes than either Trump or Hillary, who came along after Obama, after the population increased. And, the population didn't increase enough to offset much racism against blacks, from the previous election. And, regardless of population growth, an inexperienced, previously unknown, far-left black candidate still trounced a white candidate in the election, twice (and white candidates in the Democrat primaries).

See the chart at the bottom? See how the popular vote has grown over the past 100+ years?

With the exception of Trump, and other presidents who lost the popular vote, it keeps increasing. Sure, Obama was popular, but a few million more votes than the next highest white president isn't evidence of some kind of anti-white bias.

The point is, there's no evidence of systematic racism in America against blacks.

I never claimed there was...so you're barking up the wrong tree.

Just the opposite, in fact. A white Obama wouldn't have made it to the White House.

That's a rather large baseless claim.

When measured by objective performance criteria, blacks are "more successful" than whites. The most concrete example is black SAT scores vs. college admissions.

Not sure what you're claiming here. You believe blacks are being held to a lower standard by college admission offices?

 

[Redac]

Not sure what you're claiming here. You believe blacks are being held to a lower standard by college admission offices?

They often are, inadvertently or otherwise. As a group, they often don't have to perform at the same level to get admitted to universities or other academic programs at the same rate as other groups.

 

[Barney]

2015 SAT scores:

Asians 525 reading, 598 math, 531 writing
Blacks 431 reading, 428 math, 418 writing

Many of these Asians speak English as a second language, and they still demolished blacks in an English-language test that heavily measures English skills. Blacks have the advantage of speaking English as a first language, and the US spent far more on black education than Asian countries spent educating Asians.

Isn't it about time we move past blaming racial oppression oppression for poor black performance and stop blaming discrimination for blacks not getting jobs in more demanding fields? Isn't it about time we start demanding cultural changes in the black community, instead of blaming innocent whites?

Does a 431 reading score even reflect functional literacy? How do you racially discriminate against someone who can't even read the job application, let alone do the job? BTW, whites outscored Asians on the SAT in reading.

 

[SummerMadness]

Are we seeing more unsourced racist postings trying to pit Asians against black people? I will tell you, Asians do not like being treated as a pawn by white people to justify racism against black people. They are sick and tired of it.

'Model Minority' Myth Again Used As A Racial Wedge Between Asians And Blacks

Sullivan's piece, rife with generalizations about a group as vastly diverse as Asian-Americans, rightfully raised hackles. Not only inaccurate, his piece spreads the idea that Asian-Americans as a group are monolithic, even though parsing data by ethnicity reveals a host of disparities; for example, Bhutanese-Americans have far higher rates of poverty than other Asian populations, like Japanese-Americans. And at the root of Sullivan's pernicious argument is the idea that black failure and Asian success cannot be explained by inequities and racism, and that they are one and the same; this allows a segment of white America to avoid any responsibility for addressing racism or the damage it continues to inflict.

 

[Barney]

Black performance is dismal, despite much support and many preferences they're given. Isn't it about time we start demanding cultural changes in the black community, instead of blaming innocent whites?

 

[Ana the Ist]

They often are, inadvertently or otherwise. As a group, they often don't have to perform at the same level to get admitted to universities or other academic programs at the same rate as other groups.

Ok...I guess I've got another reason to continue to be against affirmative action. From what I've read though, this hurts asians more than anyone else.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Are we seeing more unsourced racist postings trying to pit Asians against black people? I will tell you, Asians do not like being treated as a pawn by white people to justify racism against black people. They are sick and tired of it.

'Model Minority' Myth Again Used As A Racial Wedge Between Asians And Blacks

It's a good thing they've got you as a spokesman.

As a spokesman for blacks, I can tell you they're sick and tired of people blaming whites for the problems within their communities.