Just for once let us all try to be honest.

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So do we both agree that the earth was round then?

Good!

Next step:

Will you agree with me that the Bible says the devil showed Jesus all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time?

Luke 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

You should not use vague terms like "round". A flat circle is round, so is a sphere. The writers of the Bible clearly thought the Earth was flat. If anything they used the Hebrew word for an inscribed circle, you cannot get much more two dimensional than that, not a word that could be interpreted as a sphere, and yes, they had words for spheres back then.

So you may believe the Earth is a sphere, your Bible doesn't.

And the Devil took Jesus up a mountain to show him the whole world. That only makes sense on a Flat Earth.

So yes, you just verified one of the times that the Bible implies very strongly that the Earth is flat.
Very good AV!

 

[AV1611VET]

You should not use vague terms like "round".

Okay ... I'm easy ... and cooperative.

So do we both agree that the earth was a sphere then?

Good!

Next step:

Will you agree with me that the Bible says the devil showed Jesus all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time?

Luke 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

 

[AV1611VET]

[youtube]IzYz0yuefAc[/youtube]

 

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Okay ... I'm easy ... and cooperative.

So do we both agree that the earth was a sphere then?

Good!

Next step:

Will you agree with me that the Bible says the devil showed Jesus all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time?

Luke 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

Yes, so clearly that was a false story. At least if you want to believe that the world was a sphere then.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, so clearly that was a false story. At least if you want to believe that the world was a sphere then.

Okay ... so we both agree:

1. The earth was a sphere back then.

2. The Bible says the devil took Jesus up into an exceeding high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

Good!

Next step -- (this one's tough):

How can we make this into a win-win scenario for literal Bible believers, without disrespecting what was written?

 

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Okay ... so we both agree:

1. The earth was a sphere back then.

2. The Bible says the devil took Jesus up into an exceeding high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

Good!

Next step -- (this one's tough):

How can we make this into a win-win scenario for literal Bible believers, without disrespecting what was written?

Easy, we can't.

Well, I suppose you could be dishonest and try to change the meaning of the Bible. But wouldn't that be blasphemy?

 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTyN-vvFIkE

 

[AV1611VET]

Easy, we can't.

You mean to tell me there is no way the devil can show Jesus (or anyone) the nations of the earth in a moment of time?

Perhaps you're giving up too soon here?

 

[AV1611VET]

An Hour of Jeopardy Think Music - YouTube

Hmmm ... I gave you 13 minutes ... you gave me 5.

Someone's a little too impatient, isn't he?

No wondering you're giving up already -- (if you are).

 

[AV1611VET]

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You mean to tell me there is no way the devil can show Jesus (or anyone) the nations of the earth in a moment of time?

Perhaps you're giving up too soon here?

No, I haven't given up. It is the logical answer.

If the devil could have shown Jesus the whole Earth then there was no point in the mountain trip.


You are too ready to change the Bible to fit the facts. If the Bible was true you wouldn't have to do so.

 

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Hmmm ... I gave you 13 minutes ... you gave me 5.

Someone's a little too impatient, isn't he?

No wondering you're giving up already -- (if you are).

Really? It seemed a lot longer. Besides I first tried to copy your link and it did not work correctly so I went to YouTube and used the longer version, you do need to think a bit more for your answers.

 

[AV1611VET]

You are too ready to change the Bible to fit the facts.

What have I changed?

You've been agreeing me so far.

Up until step 3, then suddenly you go 404.

 

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What have I changed?

You've been agreeing me so far.

Up until step 3, then suddenly you go 404.

Really? You have to ask?

You have changed the obvious flat Earth nature of the Bible writers. That is not the only place where the geometry of a situation only works with a flat Earth. In Revelation the coming of certain people on a cloud is observed world wide. That only works with a flat Earth. In Isaiah a tall tree is climbed to see the entire world. No devil involved in either of those. That only works with a flat Earth as well. And then there are the verses the use the word for inscribed circle. Mistranslated by apologists as the word for "round". One reference after another that shows a flat Earth.

The fact is that the writers of the Bible were far from perfect and the Bible echoes those flaws.

 

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What have I changed?

You've been agreeing me so far.

Up until step 3, then suddenly you go 404.

Nope, that would be you.

Why are you trying to change the Bible?

Is it because you know that the Earth is not flat?

What happened to the Bible says it that settles it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Really? You have to ask?

You have changed the obvious flat Earth nature of the Bible writers. That is not the only place where the geometry of a situation only works with a flat Earth. In Revelation the coming of certain people on a cloud is observed world wide. That only works with a flat Earth. In Isaiah a tall tree is climbed to see the entire world. No devil involved in either of those. That only works with a flat Earth as well. And then there are the verses the use the word for inscribed circle. Mistranslated by apologists as the word for "round". One reference after another that shows a flat Earth.

The fact is that the writers of the Bible were far from perfect and the Bible echoes those flaws.

Well if you're not willing to cooperate with me to give this ... um ... dilemma a win-win score, I guess I can't help you.

Here ... I'll even quote Adam Clarke for you:

If the words, all the kingdoms of the world, be taken in a literal sense, then this must have been a visionary representation, as the highest mountain on the face of the globe could not suffice to make evident even one hemisphere of the earth, and the other must of necessity be in darkness.

 

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Well if you're not willing to cooperate with me to give this ... um ... dilemma a win-win score, I guess I can't help you.

Here ... I'll even quote Adam Clarke for you:

Yes, he was desperate too.

Sometimes there is no win-win situation. I am sorry but this one you lose. If it was a one time event you might have been able to claim "perhaps it was supposed to be a vision". But the same geometry fail occurred three separate unrelated times. That shows that they thought the Earth was flat.

 

[AV1611VET]

What happened to the Bible says it that settles it?

Not a thing.

The Bible says it, that settles it.

All I'm doing by making up this slideshow explanation is demonstrating how the earth can be a sphere, yet still be presented to someone in a moment of time.

On a high mountain, or at sea level -- it makes no difference.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, he was desperate too.

You're the one who went 404.

Yet we're the losers?

LOL

 

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Not a thing.

The Bible says it, that settles it.

All I'm doing by making up this slideshow explanation is demonstrating how the earth can be a sphere, yet still be presented to someone in a moment of time.

On a high mountain, or at sea level -- it makes no difference.

In other words AV just joined the Flat Earth Society.

And again, this was not the only time that geometry fail occurred. As the saying goes, three strikes and you are out.

Why doesn't it simply say "the devil showed Jesus a vision of the world"?