Just for final clarification yes, we evolved from monkeys.

[Ophiolite]

According to whom?

According to those who have studied the matter from a scientific perspective. You are free to declare, from a non-scientific perspective, that this is not so. Others are then free to decide which perspective they find most convincing (if they favour an evidence based decision process), or most palatable (if they favour maximising their mental comfort).

 

[Doveaman]

Maybe by reading beyond verse 3, brother.

Already did.

Why don't you read it and explain it?

Beyond verse 3 tells us:

"The Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father" -- (John 1:14).

The Word became the only begotten Son of the Father when he became flesh.

John beheld the glory of the only begotten Son in the form of flesh.

 

[Doveaman]

I stopped reading there. A god who has sex with a human being is an idea which belongs well and truly to paganism.

Why are accusing me of things I did not say?

Who said anything about sex? Sex was not needed.

The mother of Jesus was in fact impregnated by the Father of Jesus.

Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit in the womb of a woman by his Father.

It was at this point that the Word became flesh becoming the Son of God and the Son of Man.

The fact is that 'begotten from eternity past' is a contradictory statement since 'eternity past' indicates no beginning, while 'begotten' suggest a beginning.

You cannot have it both ways.

 

[Doveaman]

According to those who have studied the matter from a scientific perspective.

Scientific study is not intended to determine what is true.

You are free to declare, from a non-scientific perspective, that this is not so.

Scientific study is not intended to determine it is so.

Scientists simply offer their own make-belief explanation/interpretation of the facts.

But facts can be interpreted in multiple ways, even by the same scientists.

The facts about the universe are there for all scientists to observe, but scientists cannot agree on the origin of the universe or the age of the universe, or the nature of the universe.

Same facts, different scientific perspectives.

 

[bookofjade]

I see this all the time, it's become one of those knee jerk responses, but we did infact evolve from monkeys if evolution is true.

This may seem pedantic, but by definition the common ancestor between monkeys and humans was infact a monkey, we would call it a monkey if we saw it today, it would fit all the criteria for being a monkey. it wasn't a modern one, but it was still a monkey.

The split from monkeys happened after new world and old world monkeys split, so humans are descended from old world monkeys wich would make our ancestors monkeys.

No we didn't come from monkeys, we came from mushrooms.

I know cozz I'm a fun' guy.

 

[mmksparbud]

What do you mean, some people? We all act like animals; we are animals.

No we do not---0not even close. No animal tortures and rapes and brutalizes their offspring. They will defend them to the death, we kill ours. Not one single animal will try to desperately abort their offspring. At times they may abandon and even kill their offspring if they are impaired, for the impaired can not survive in the wild. The males of some species will kill the offspring of another male--this is preservation of the species---they still do so quickly--they don't torture them for years. They don't treat them as idiots and degrade them, they teach them the skills needed to survive on their own. What we do to our own children is not like an animal at all. It is definitely more demonic than animal. Don't insult the animals.

 

[bookofjade]

No we do not---0not even close. No animal tortures and rapes and brutalizes their offspring. They will defend them to the death, we kill ours. Not one single animal will try to desperately abort their offspring. At times they may abandon and even kill their offspring if they are impaired, for the impaired can not survive in the wild. The males of some species will kill the offspring of another male--this is preservation of the species---they still do so quickly--they don't torture them for years. They don't treat them as idiots and degrade them, they teach them the skills needed to survive on their own. What we do to our own children is not like an animal at all. It is definitely more demonic than animal. Don't insult the animals.

Short answer

Genetic mutations has caused our mental impairment.

 

[Ophiolite]

No animal tortures and rapes and brutalizes their offspring. They will defend them to the death, we kill ours. Not one single animal will try to desperately abort their offspring. At times they may abandon and even kill their offspring if they are impaired, for the impaired can not survive in the wild. The males of some species will kill the offspring of another male--this is preservation of the species---they still do so quickly--they don't torture them for years. They don't treat them as idiots and degrade them, they teach them the skills needed to survive on their own. What we do to our own children is not like an animal at all. It is definitely more demonic than animal. Don't insult the animals.

You haven't done much study of ethology, have you? If you choose to pontificate it would be wise to educate yourself first. Feel free to return with a retraction when you have done so.

 

[mmksparbud]

You haven't done much study of ethology, have you? If you choose to pontificate it would be wise to educate yourself first. Feel free to return with a retraction when you have done so.

You got something to say---say it --so far, you have said nothing.

 

[Ophiolite]

You got something to say---say it --so far, you have said nothing.

Forgive me, but I have made very clear statements.
1. You are demonstrably ignorant of some specifics in relation to animal behaviour.
2. You would be well advised to acquire some knowledge in the area before making flawed assertions.

Those seem decidedly something rather than nothing. It is interesting that, rather than addressing these substantive points, you attempt to deflect attention.

 

[mmksparbud]

So----you're the one that say's I have flawed assertions---please present your proof.
I already said there are certain circumstances where they will ki9ll them--esp. in captivity, if there is anything wrong with them or the offspring of another male. Where is your proof that they torture their young for years?? Or at all. Killing them if their defective is not torturing them.

 

[Astrophile]

You evidentially don't realize that Jesus is both 100% God and 100% man, do you?

Just as all of us are 100% human and 100% ape.

 

[bhsmte]

You got something to say---say it --so far, you have said nothing.

They already said it and quite clearly.

 

[mmksparbud]

I see no evidence presented.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

Scientific study is not intended to determine what is true.
Scientific study is not intended to determine it is so.

Science- the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment. It studies reality.

Scientists simply offer their own make-belief explanation/interpretation of the facts.

Is the internet you are connected to and the computer you are typing on make believe? What about the clean water you drink, the car you drive and the GPS you may use? Is that also make believe? What about the modern medicine you enjoy? Make believe, right?

But facts can be interpreted in multiple ways, even by the same scientists.

The definition of "fact" is a thing that is indisputably the case. You're trying to say that they can be interpreted multiple ways? LOL

 

[Doveaman]

You evidentially don't realize that Jesus is both 100% God and 100% man, do you?

Just as all of us are 100% human and 100% ape.

Lol

 

[Doveaman]

Science- the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment. It studies reality.

Cool.

Is the internet you are connected to and the computer you are typing on make believe? What about the clean water you drink, the car you drive and the GPS you may use? Is that also make believe? What about the modern medicine you enjoy? Make believe, right?

GPS and medicine are scientific products, not scientific theories/explanations.
This thread is about the theory of evolution, not scientific products.
The theory of evolution never produced anything except make-belief history.

The definition of "fact" is a thing that is indisputably the case. You're trying to say that they can be interpreted multiple ways?

Yes.

The rotation of galaxies is an indisputable, observed fact.

This fact, however, is interpreted by different scientists as being caused by Missing Matter/Gravity or by Electricity/Ionized Plasma.

Different interpretations, same fact.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

The theory of evolution never produced anything except make-belief history.

You should walk into a biomedical lab and make this claim. You'll be laughed out of the building. Do you know why you don't take antibiotics for viral infections? Evolution explains why.

Do you enjoy fruits and vegetables? Many are made possible by artificial selection. Same with our domesticated animals. Selection is also vital to genetic engineering. Should I go on?

 

[Aldebaran]

You should walk into a biomedical lab and make this claim. You'll be laughed out of the building. Do you know why you don't take antibiotics for viral infections? Evolution explains why.

Do you enjoy fruits and vegetables? Many are made possible by artificial selection. Same with our domesticated animals. Selection is also vital to genetic engineering. Should I go on?

If they're made possible by artificial selection, how does that give credence to natural evolution?

 

[Astrophile]

Lol

Why did you quote AV1611VET indirectly through my post, rather than directly through his own post?