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John Hagee

Discussion in 'Conservative Christianity' started by JustAsIam77, Oct 3, 2008.

  1. JustAsIam77

    JustAsIam77 Veritas Liberabit Vos

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    I enjoy watching John Hagee. He generally gives an inspiring bible based message along with some genuine laugh out loud humor.

    There was such an uproar about him endorsing John McCain. I'm wondering if I'm missing something. I'm open to negatives about Hagee I just don't know what they are?
     
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  2. Edmond89

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    John Hagee is in the highest degree of the freemasonry he is not A christian but he is Zionist Freemason,that uses the Bible on Bias to Israel:((,and Israel kills,massacre arabs.

    brother you have to know about Freemasonry,2 million freemasons are in USA,unfortunately they had infiltrated our Priest and Pastors just as:John Hagee,Pat Robertson,Jerry falewell

    all are Freemasons,Israel is unbiblical,Jesus is the True Israel,and the "Christian Zionist" don't know that there are Palestinian christians exists or Arab christians.

    but may God bless this pastor,and we have to love our enemy and to pray for him.
    Israel is not God's Plan,Jesus had came,stated:"not eye for eye,tooth for tooth"
    so the Jews have all of them to convert to christianity and to believe in Him.

    Israel is not connected to Jesus second Coming,in addition it's Fact that Judaism=Anti-christ

    they insult Virgin Mary,insult Jesus christ as False Messiah....

    may God bless them
     
  3. Nadiine

    Nadiine New Member

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    Sorry I disagree completely.

    What I do think is John Hagee is getting up in years and I believe
    his age is showing at this point in his sermons.
    I've said the same of Pat Robertson lately as well.
     
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    Nadiine New Member

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    In my view the reason for the uproar is that John Hagee isn't politically correct, and him endorsing any political figure would be a negative to that politician.

    If it was someone like Rick Warren or Joel Osteen or any other religious speaker who was more PC, that wouldn't be a problem or as much of a problem.

    Hagee has made some serious attacks on some religions & groups and to a politician, that would be a vote loser!

    So if Osteen endorsed him, things would probly be just peachy with it.
     
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  5. Wade Smith

    Wade Smith New Member

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    Correct.

    Politicians are not interested in The Truth.

    They are only interested in having the appearance of being interested in The "Good" of the people; that is, the people they are talking to today.


    John Hagee had given a sermon several years ago, which was Biblical, in which he was explaining something about Israel. In Ezekiel 5, God describes judgements that will come against Israel because of their sin, and that only a remnant would be spared.


    The Holocaust was caused by the Devil.

    However, it was ALLOWED By God because of Israel's sin.

    If you notice in the parable in Ezekiel 5, (verse 1-4 is the first telling of the judgement, and then verse 5-17 retells the same judgement.) After the first judgement that destroys all but a remnant represented by the hairs placed in the prophet's belt. God then tells him to take the hairs out of his belt and pass them through the judgements again(v.4). Verse 1-3 and also 14-17 would then represent the destruction of Israel as a nation in 70A.D. Verse 4 then represents the REMNANT that survived that destruction then being persecuted again while they are in exile "scattered among the nations." This is the Holocaust.


    This is what John Hagee was talking about when he said, "Hitler was a fisher."

    Somebody in the media who hates Christians found a copy of that sermon and used "sound bytes" to try to make John Hagee look like a lunatic.

    And then John McCain said, "That's insane." and rejected his endorsement.

    Well, The Bible doesn't lie. Israel sinned and God judged them by allowing the Devil to have full reign over them for many centuries. They rejected God and chose to worship the devil through idols and false religion and moreover killed Jesus. Therefore the Lord rejected them and gave them over to the devil they worshipped.


    You will say, "Surely not every person killed in the Holocaust 'deserved' to die."

    But Biblically, yes, they did, and so do you and I.

    "For all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God" and "The wages of sin is death."


    It is only by the Grace of God that anyone is alive at all. Even the unbelieving sinner lives only by Grace, though he does not believe that. But "To whom much has been given much is required." Israel was given both the Old Covenant and the New Covenant, and ultimately rejected both. Therefore their judgement was more harsh than that of the heathen.

    There have been many "Holocausts" against Israel throughout Biblical history right up to today. Hitler just "seems" like the worst because it is one of the most recent and because a lot of it was caught on film.

    But if you study the Bible you see that the Syrians and the Babylonians and the Egyptians going back to the time of Moses committed such atrocities as bad or worse against Israel, and God allowed it because of their sin.


    This is not "Politically correct," but it is Biblically correct.

    The Lord rebuke politicians and the media, who call good 'evil' and evil 'good'.
     
  6. Wade Smith

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    Read your Bible.

    Do not curse Israel, even the unbelievers in Israel. God told Abraham that he would bless those who bless him and curse those who curse him, and Israel IS the "Seed of Promise".

    Then Isaac blessed Jacob(Israel):

    Genesis 27:29
    Let people serve thee, and nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy brethren, and let thy mother's sons bow down to thee: cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee.

    As for the unbelieving Jews, Paul wrote that "God is able to graft them in again."
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    I am not about to try to defend everything John Hagee teaches nor any other person, because I have quite a few disagreements with him.

    But Israel is to this day God's chosen people, whether you like it or not.
     
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  7. Sketcher

    Sketcher Born Imperishable

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    He claimed that Jesus was not the Messiah.
     
  8. Nadiine

    Nadiine New Member

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    And if people are going to claim these Pastors are freemasons, then you need to back that up with proof.
    (or were, Rev. Falwell is deceased now).

    A claim is a claim - I've seen plenty of those in this election.
     
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  9. Wade Smith

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    Wait. Who claimed Jesus was not the Messiah?

    I have never heard John Hagee make that claim, and in fact, every time I have ever watched him preach, he directly tells people that Jesus IS the Messiah and that he is the Only Begotten Son of God.
     
  10. Nadiine

    Nadiine New Member

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    same here.

    Hopefully if he did, it was taken completely out of context
     
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    Hagee, Robertson, Falwell etc. are all of British descent.

    Dispensationalism is a heresy, and is almost exclusively British. Cyrus Scofield was British, as were the Puritans who founded this doctrine. Only the Protestant countries (Britain, Germany, USA) worship all things Israel, whereas the Catholic/Orthodox nations (Spain, Italy, Greece, Russia) do not embrace such apostasy.

    By the way, the infamous Hagee "Jesus did not come to earth to be the messiah" quote was NOT taken out of context.
     
  12. Nadiine

    Nadiine New Member

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    Oh Lord, this thread just keeps getting better and better.

    :sigh:

    now dispensationalism.... what's next?

    Has anybody read the OP?
     
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  13. brinny

    brinny everlovin' shiner of light in dark places Supporter

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    i watch John Hagee when i can.
     
  14. Edmond89

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    These Pastors and priests are Freemasons,so if you divulge this secret they will be out,as they are working on behalf the Freemasonry not on Behalf Jesus christ.
    not Following the teaching of Jesus,but the Zionist-satanic freemasonic doctorine.

    so they have to be out all of them:)))
     
  15. Edmond89

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    Why the Jews aren't God's People anymore?

    on account of they hate Jesus christ,negate him,insult him and they torched 100 New Testament in Israel by the Orthodox jews,but may God bless we have to love our enemy.
    furthermore,it's stated that they aren't so in the New Testament,Jesus himself,stated that,Jesus said:"you are the sons of the Satan,why you don't accept me,I'm the messiah"

    so all of them are the sons of the them,and also they claim Jesus as False Messiah.

    Jesus is Known is the son of God,but for the Jews is son of....,I don't want to say it's insult.

    so if they negate and hate,insult,reject Jesus(son of God),so they aren't God people.
    but in Old Testament it written so,but after rejecting Jesus and in the New Testament the eventual and most important they aren't.

    they will go to hell,no heaven for them as they don't believe in the son of God.

    Jesus said:"I'm the way the truth the life,no one will come to my father but through me"

    do the jews believe in Jesus christ?

    of course no,so no heaven for them,no God's people anymore,God's people are who believe in Jesus as the Messiah and just it whether you like it or not.

    God bless,
    Edwar
     
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    What do you define as "dispensationalism" first of all?

    Different people seem to use the term differently.

    I do not "worship all things Israel", and as a matter of fact, I have a lot of Biblical evidence that shows "Mystery Babylon" in the book of Revelation is in fact refering to Jerusalem.

    That being said, God's word still says today what it said 3000 years ago. If anyone curses Israel, God said he would curse them.

    Show a video or at the very least a transcript of the entire sermon.
     
  17. Nadiine

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    Edmond, this is actually off topic --- the OP is asking about Hagee's endorsement of John McCain, not Israel's standing.

    And I seriously urge you to read Romans 11
     
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  18. Wade Smith

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    Read the Bible. The church was founded by jews.

    Look what Paul said about this, which I already paraphrased earlier.

    "God is able to graft them in again."



    Romans 11:17And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

    18Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
    19Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
    20Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
    21For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
    22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
    23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
    24For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
    25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
    26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
     
  19. Henaynei

    Henaynei Sh'ma Yisrael, Adonai Echud! Al pi Adonai...

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    that being so don't you think American Christians especially and indeed ALL Christians should be afraid, very afraid of the judgment stored up for them??
     
  20. Wade Smith

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    Oh, most definitely.

    To whom much has been given much is required.

    Jesus said the servant who knew better and did things worthy of stripes would be beaten with many stripes.

    America has known better than perhaps any nation in history. Bibles are sold in every store in the country, from convenience stores to major book stores. The gospel is preached on dozens of radio stations, often two or three different stations in the same town.

    Yet our prisons are over flowing with criminals, and those are just the ones who are caught.

    Our entertainment glamourizes sin and lawlessness, particularly adultery and drunkeness, but also violence and witchcraft.

    Our "prophets prophesy falsely and the priests bear rule by their means...and my people love to have it so..."


    Hebrews 10:26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

    27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
    28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
    29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
    30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.