Is it essential to get water baptized in the name of JESUS Christ for the remission of your sins for salvation or is it not essential?
Is water baptism essential for salvation?
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Water baptism for the remission of sin was a requirement in the Gospel of the Kingdom when John the Baptist, Jesus and the Twelve on the day of Pentecost were preaching it. When the Gospel of the Grace of God that Paul preached was revealed to him, The Gospel of the Kingdom, Gods chosen People, and the Laws that were handed down to them through Moses were set aside until the "fullness of the Gentiles be come in."
So, no. Water baptism is not essential for Salvation. Salvation comes by your belief in Jesus being the Son of God, and in His death, burial, and resurrection. Nothing else. The only reason anyone will be cast into the lake of fire, is because of their unbelief.
Remember, all the sins of the world were forgiven when Jesus shed His blood on the Cross. ALL sins. Past, present, and future. For all time until the end of time. God doesn't remember the sins anymore. Its not about sins, it is about belief.
So, no. Water baptism is not essential for Salvation. Salvation comes by your belief in Jesus being the Son of God, and in His death, burial, and resurrection. Nothing else. The only reason anyone will be cast into the lake of fire, is because of their unbelief.
Remember, all the sins of the world were forgiven when Jesus shed His blood on the Cross. ALL sins. Past, present, and future. For all time until the end of time. God doesn't remember the sins anymore. Its not about sins, it is about belief.
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Act 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
It is amazing that Paul had came across people that Apollos had preached to before about the baptism of John which was for repentance. Paul being amazed that they have not received the Holy Ghost since they believed he then questioned about what were they then baptized? They were baptized unto John's baptism. If there is no need to be baptized in the name of JESUS Christ then why did Paul re baptize them the name of JESUS Christ?
Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
It is amazing that Paul had came across people that Apollos had preached to before about the baptism of John which was for repentance. Paul being amazed that they have not received the Holy Ghost since they believed he then questioned about what were they then baptized? They were baptized unto John's baptism. If there is no need to be baptized in the name of JESUS Christ then why did Paul re baptize them the name of JESUS Christ?
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I have to be careful, so as not to cross the Baptist line. So I will say it in a form Baptist will accept (yes I am a Baptist but don't agree on this issue with the Baptist ways).
If we view our being a Christian as a birth, Faith is the conception and Baptism, defined in Baptist faith as Symbolic, is the birth.....though symbolic.
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If Baptism is an outward sign of an inward change, and if salvation is not contingent upon Baptism, then it wouldn't matter.
Those people probably didn't understand the Gospel, nor did they know they had to believe in Jesus, and the substitutionary work He did. So therefore they didn't get saved because it's possible they didn't put faith in Christ?
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Water Baptism is NOT an outward sign. It is necessary to get Baptized in the Name of JESUS Christ to have your sins remitted.
John the Baptist's baptism did not wash away the sins. If it did then Paul would have not re baptized them again.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
The world says: he that believeth and is SAVED shall be BAPTIZED.
Paul was baptized in the Name of JESUS for the remission of his sins.
Even though he had a visitation from the Lord, was given instructions about his ministry, blinded and then healed and still he had to get baptized in the Name of JESUS Christ to have the circumcision of the heart done on him so that God can cut away the foreskin of his heart where his sins are at.
Act 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Be baptized, and wash thy sins away, calling on the name of the Lord which is JESUS! That's why it says:
Act_2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
That calling is invoking the name JESUS.
But we don't take that seriously. We don't believe that is the name above ALL names. We don't believe we need to be saved by that name. According to the Bible, when we go down in that watery grave in the Name of JESUS Christ by calling the name out, we are circumcised with a spiritual scalpel. He does an operation on your heart.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
People believe that water baptism is a work. No it is not. God does the operation by our FAITH.
"Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him THROUGH THE FAITH of the operation of God"
Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
A spiritual Jew is one that has their heart circumcised by God by baptism.
John the Baptist's baptism did not wash away the sins. If it did then Paul would have not re baptized them again.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
The world says: he that believeth and is SAVED shall be BAPTIZED.
Paul was baptized in the Name of JESUS for the remission of his sins.
Even though he had a visitation from the Lord, was given instructions about his ministry, blinded and then healed and still he had to get baptized in the Name of JESUS Christ to have the circumcision of the heart done on him so that God can cut away the foreskin of his heart where his sins are at.
Act 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Be baptized, and wash thy sins away, calling on the name of the Lord which is JESUS! That's why it says:
Act_2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
That calling is invoking the name JESUS.
But we don't take that seriously. We don't believe that is the name above ALL names. We don't believe we need to be saved by that name. According to the Bible, when we go down in that watery grave in the Name of JESUS Christ by calling the name out, we are circumcised with a spiritual scalpel. He does an operation on your heart.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
People believe that water baptism is a work. No it is not. God does the operation by our FAITH.
"Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him THROUGH THE FAITH of the operation of God"
Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
A spiritual Jew is one that has their heart circumcised by God by baptism.
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*Your preaching Moses, not Christ*
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2:8-9
Just as it was in the O.T. it is in the N.T.
What does Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." Romans 4:3
But also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness--for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead - Romans 4:24
You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain? So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Galatians 3:1-6
Please read Galatians 3
Faith is the only prerequisite for salvation.
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If water baptism is necessary in order to be saved, why did Jesus tell the criminal on the cross he would be with Him that day in paradise? He didn't have a way to be baptized.
Luke 23:39-43
Luke 23:39-43
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Good note and it's so much more. Jesus came for Israel only and John the Baptist was prophesied to come forth. After death, burial and resurrection water baptism is not necessary to be saved and sealed.
Matthew 15:24 -
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No. Salvation is by faith alone, not by anything we do (John 1:12; John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8-9).
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What you don't realize is, Paul, Peter and the church back then were water Baptized. Why would Paul, Peter and others preach water baptism in the Name of JESUS Christ for the remission of your sins if it is a works of the LAW?
Gal 2:18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
Peter says:
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
For this promise is unto you, and your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Show me where water baptism was taken out. even as many as the Lord our God shall call. That includes this very generation.
This revelation that Peter preached, Acts 2:38 was preached AFTER JESUS had risen from the dead. NOT in the days of Moses.
When someone goes and gets baptized in the Name of JESUS Christ for the remission of their sins, God does thew WORKS, NOT US.
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him THROUGH THE FAITH of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
So it is THROUGH OUR FAITH that when we go down in water baptism that GOD does the cutting away of the foreskin of the heart where our sins abide, that when we come out of the water after the name of JESUS Christ was envoked upon, we believe that it was done. God does this operation by our faith alone.
So no there will not be any boasting on our part because God does this operation of getting rid of the sins if we have faith to believe that He did this operation. Otherwise you can go get wet all day long and nothing will happen without faith.
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
The like figure whereunto even BAPTISM DOTH ALSO NOW SAVE US.
Blood is never applied without the water. What came out JESUS's side? WATER AND BLOOD.
Joh_19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
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- What about the thief on the cross who repented. Jesus told him that today he would be with Him in Paradise?
- That is a good question. We might as well include all of the ones in the old testament as well because they were not baptized in the name of JESUS Christ for the remission of their sins as well. David, Job, Abraham, Daniel, and many others. What happened with Enoch? Did he get to heaven?
Gen 5:23-24 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
Someone said: God took Enoch because he walked with God. So he had to have made it to heaven. How about Elijah as well? Did he get into heaven? Someone said: he sure did for he rode a chariot of fire and went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
2Ki 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
Notice that Elijah was never seen again after this.
2Ki 2:15-18 And when the sons of the prophets which were to view at Jericho saw him, they said, The spirit of Elijah doth rest on Elisha. And they came to meet him, and bowed themselves to the ground before him. And they said unto him, Behold now, there be with thy servants fifty strong men; let them go, we pray thee, and seek thy master: lest peradventure the Spirit of the LORD hath taken him up, and cast him upon some mountain, or into some valley. And he said, Ye shall not send. And when they urged him till he was ashamed, he said, Send. They sent therefore fifty men; and they sought three days, but found him not. And when they came again to him, (for he tarried at Jericho,) he said unto them, Did I not say unto you, Go not?
Notice that the sons of the prophets went to search for him and did not find him. They knew Elijah was going to depart from Elisha that day.
Did Elijah go up into heaven?
Take a look at these scriptures and decide for yourself.
About twenty years after Elijah had went up into heaven in a chariot and disappeared, Jehoram rebelled against God. As you see below a letter written by Elijah showed up about 20 years after he had disappeared.
2Ch 21:12-15 And there came a writing to him from Elijah the prophet, saying, Thus saith the LORD God of David thy father, Because thou hast not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat thy father, nor in the ways of Asa king of Judah, But hast walked in the way of the kings of Israel, and hast made Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem to go a whoring, like to the whoredoms of the house of Ahab, and also hast slain thy brethren of thy father's house, which were better than thyself: Behold, with a great plague will the LORD smite thy people, and thy children, and thy wives, and all thy goods: And thou shalt have great sickness by disease of thy bowels, until thy bowels fall out by reason of the sickness day by day.
Did Elijah truly ascend up to heaven? Did Enoch also ascend?
Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
No man has ascended up to heaven? But in 2 Kings 2:11 ....Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
Well once again the scriptures seem to contradict themselves. To the natural man, it will be contradictory.
2Co_12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
such an one caught up to the third heaven.
Elijah was caught up to the first heaven, not the third heaven.
Elijah and Enoch and the rest all died in faith not receiving the promise.
Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
These all died in faith! Where did they all go then?
Luk 16:19-31 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
As you see Paradise lies in the center of the earth next to hell and has a great gulf between them. Why couldn't they enter heaven yet? Because JESUS has not yet at that time died for every man yet.
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Why is it so important for JESUS to descend down in the heart of the earth? Why doesn't He just pop them out like popcorn into heaven? Why go down there Himself???? Because they have to believe the same way we believe. Who is going to tell them? JESUS is.
Rom_10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
1Pe 3:18-22 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him
He went down into paradise and preached unto the spirits in prison!!! What did He preach?
Repentance, baptism in JESUS Christ's name and receiving the Holy Ghost! They had to hear the Word and believe this revelation otherwise they would have not been forgiven and they would have been damned from going to heaven. They like us had to hear the Word and believed it.
Otherwise why did He have to preach to them for?
Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
JESUS says: He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. So after the cross, everyone is commanded to repent and be baptized in the Name of JESUS Christ for the remission of our sins. Otherwise we will not have a inkling of a chance to make heaven.
1Pe 3:20-21 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
The old testament has a lot of like figures in it. eight souls were saved by water. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Not just taking a bath but an answer of a good conscience towards God. Baptism does now save us.
Some have received the Holy Ghost before they got baptised in JESUS Christ's name.
Act 10:44-48 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
The Holy Ghost fell onto the gentiles and Peter commanded the GENTILES to get baptized in the name of JESUS Christ. It was not a suggestion, they were COMMANDED to get baptized in JESUS Christ name. This is a serious salvation issue according to the Word of God.
Repentance alone will not do the job.
Someone said: I cried crocodile tears..
2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
Godly sorrow is NOT salvation...it works repentance TO salvation but it is NOT salvation. What is repentance? It means quite simply......I went one way and now I turn to go another way. You don't have to cry crocodile tears to repent. Repent is...I will live this Word of God to the fullest. I will do whatever it says. If it is saying to get baptized in buttermilk...I will go get baptized in buttermilk. .
Act 2:38-39 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
For this promise is unto you, and your children, and to ALL that are afar off, EVEN AS MANY AS THE LORD SHALL CALL!
How is it that the church world has disannulled water baptism in the Name of JESUS Christ I will never know.
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There are three questions here:
Is water baptism essential for salvation? NO
Is water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ essential for salvation? NO
Is water baptism for the remission of sins (does it wash away sins)? NO
The next question is:
Is water baptism commanded for all those who believe, and is it in the Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost? YES.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. (Matthew 28:19,20).
So if we always keep in mind that it is THE BLOOD of Jesus Christ, God's Son, that washes away our sins, we will not be confused about the purpose of water baptism, which is to be fully identified with the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ, and then to go on and "walk in newness of life".
When we read in Acts that people were baptized in the Name of Jesus, it does not negate the above Scripture, but teaches us that that was Christian baptism, as opposed to Jewish baptism, or even the baptism administered by John the Baptizer.
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Why not? Is it not an outward sign of an inward reality? Please note carefully:
Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. (Acts 8:35-39, and verse 37 is genuine Scripture which is omitted from modern versions).
The inward reality was genuine faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and His finished work of redemption. The confession with the mouth was confirmation of this reality. The water baptism by immersion was the outward sign of this inward reality.
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