Is the OT Law still in effect?

[rcorlew]

I have seen so many debates back and forth about whether this or that is a sin, and on and on and on.

So the real question is this; Is the Law still in effect today?

 

[Frogster]

Not for me,I choose grace because I dont want sin to be my master.

Rom 6:14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

 

[New_Wineskin]

I have seen so many debates back and forth about whether this or that is a sin, and on and on and on.

So the real question is this; Is the Law still in effect today?

Yes , those that say this or that is a sin want the Law to rule . The Law was never in effect for me .

Others can have it if they want .

 

[wayseer]

I have seen so many debates back and forth about whether this or that is a sin, and on and on and on.

So the real question is this; Is the Law still in effect today?

Which Law?

 

[ARBITER01]

Mosiac law is still in effect for unbelievers, that is why it is called a curse. Believers are under the law of Christ now,..

1Co 9:20 And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, not being myself under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

1Co 9:21 to them that are without law, as without law, not being without law to God, but under law to Christ, that I might gain them that are without law.

There are many areas in scripture that point this out, not just one.

 

[fwiwwl]

Sure the Laws that God handed down are and will always be in effect! It's our EFFORTS to keep them has been done away with.

 

[CalmRon]

faith without works is dead.

 

[rcorlew]

Mosiac law is still in effect for unbelievers, that is why it is called a curse. Believers are under the law of Christ now,..



There are many areas in scripture that point this out, not just one.

Somebody had to go and spoil this thread on page 1.

So then, do believers still sin?

 

[cyberlizard]

certain aspects of the 'Law' certainly appear to still be in effect, otherwise, the teachings of Jesus are irrelevent to most believers and much of the writings of the apostles lose their authority.

Without the 'law', there exists no standard of righteousness.



Steve

 

[ebia]

I have seen so many debates back and forth about whether this or that is a sin, and on and on and on.

So the real question is this; Is the Law still in effect today?

Which law?
Still?
What effect?
For whom?

I think the word 'today' was straightforward - but that's probably because I'm missing something.

Is a signpost still in effect when you've reached your destination? What if you came from a different direction in the first place?

Torah (which I presume is the law you are talking about) always was to get Israel to Jesus' death and resurrection. To ask whether it's still in effect becomes a nonsensical question with the resurrection.

 

[LamorakDesGalis]

So the real question is this; Is the Law still in effect today?

On the one hand, Christians don't engage in animal sacrifices as described in Leviticus. So there are recognized breaks or discontinuities in the OT law from then to today.

On the other hand, Christians do recognize certain principles embedded within the OT law - as for example, do not murder, do not commit adultery, etc. So there are some continuities from the past.

The basis for these principles varies. Some Christians perceive a strong break with the law, and only accept those "laws" which are repeated in the NT (that would be 9 out of 10 commandments). Other Christians see a strong continuity between the OT and NT communities, and so incorporate what they often call moral laws (10 of 10 commandments).

The whole issue is a bit complex due to Paul's statements concerning the law.


LDG

 

[<3God]

If the OT laws arent in effect, neither are the 10 commandments. You gotta pick and this wouldnt be the only tough choice

 

[squint]

Yes, EVERY WORD of God IS still in complete and total effect.

HOW that is is subject to continual review.

 

[<3God]

//Yes, EVERY WORD of God IS still in complete and total effect.//

Thanks man. We cant pick and choose things in the OT and throw out the things we dont like. Im not saying all of the things in the OT seem lovely, but they are all God's word and he meant all of the verses

 

[Hentenza]

If the OT laws arent in effect, neither are the 10 commandments. You gotta pick and this wouldnt be the only tough choice

That's a typical misunderstanding. Christians are not under the law which simply means that, because of Christ's work on the cross, we are not under the penalty of sin. The OT law, including the 10 commandments, will never pass away.

 

[Frogster]

Interesting thing is,Paul told Timothy not to let them issue law.He said the law is NOT for the righteous,that would be us,the Christian.And notice that he gives a list of things,that would break the moral law,not ceremonial,yet he still says the law is not for us.Shows that the law,will have no power over sin which concurrs with Rom 7:5 and 8.

1 Tim 1:10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,

 

[<3God]

//we are not under the penalty of sin//

But, you think we still have to do what it says in the verses right?
I think we have a lot of common ground here

 

[cyberlizard]

On the one hand, Christians don't engage in animal sacrifices as described in Leviticus. So there are recognized breaks or discontinuities in the OT law from then to today.

On the other hand, Christians do recognize certain principles embedded within the OT law - as for example, do not murder, do not commit adultery, etc. So there are some continuities from the past.

The basis for these principles varies. Some Christians perceive a strong break with the law, and only accept those "laws" which are repeated in the NT (that would be 9 out of 10 commandments). Other Christians see a strong continuity between the OT and NT communities, and so incorporate what they often call moral laws (10 of 10 commandments).

The whole issue is a bit complex due to Paul's statements concerning the law.

LDG

this is difficult as whilst we believers today do not continue to offer sacrifices as per the Torah commandments, it was not the same for many in the early church (pre-temple destruction)... the believers continued to offer animal sacrifices. I will not point out specific verses, but would suggest reading the book of Acts again, very slowly, noting passages which refer to things like vows, purification, etc, then look at what the OT commanded in these particular instances.


Steve

 

[squint]

//Yes, EVERY WORD of God IS still in complete and total effect.//

Thanks man. We cant pick and choose things in the OT and throw out the things we dont like. Im not saying all of the things in the OT seem lovely, but they are all God's word and he meant all of the verses

Paul has provided us MANY OPEN understandings of how and why EVERY WORD of God is valid and in effect for ALL mankind. Jesus did as well.

WILL all of those understandings STRICTLY REVOLVE around physical/fleshly understandings ONLY? NO...many of those presentations were for THAT TIME...but they ALSO point to OTHER matters which were LATER revealed.

The Law came by Moses. Grace and Truth came by Christ...to ELABORATE on what those things really meant through the DELIVERANCE of Grace and Truth.

Grace and Truth did NOT eliminate ONE SINGLE JOT OR TITTLE of the Word.

s

 

[squint]

That's a typical misunderstanding. Christians are not under the law which simply means that, because of Christ's work on the cross, we are not under the penalty of sin. The OT law, including the 10 commandments, will never pass away.

ALL EVIL remains to this day FULLY CONDEMNED under the Law, yes even the EVIL in believers.

Believers EVIL is not excused or covered up by THE LAW, but revealed and even empowered by that same LAW.

The notion that EVIL is somehow UNDER GRACE is simply NOT true whatsoever.

EVIL is and remains condemned under both LAW and GRACE. They are IN SYMPHONY in this matter.

s